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Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by nimbius »

dragonwriter wrote: post #7
iinnPP wrote: post #3

Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein?

> Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein? Given the probably reluctance of most victims to come forward, active concealment by (apparently) multiple large banks (Deutsche Bank was sued and settled with New York, and now JP Morgan by USVI), investigators getting proof beyond a reasonable doubt even if there aren’t powerful people with law enforcement connections with an int…

there is a tangible disinterest in prosecuting this --as well as most-- sex crimes in the united states. In many US states, rape kits used as pivotal evidence during trial are backlogged and processed at a near glacial rate or lost entirely. Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein are examples of a situation where power in the united states, combined with a longstanding puritanical distaste for sex, culminated in a decades long failure of justice.

even the very protections victims receive in US courts are a mark of our inability to approach sex itself with a mature demeanor. we'd rather soldier on in silence, discipline, and remorse than honestly atone for real crime. that a victim themselves may succor the courage to face their attacker in court, is such a vicious affront that we're given no choice but to prosecute or lose face.

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by dragonwriter »

nimbius wrote: post #51
dragonwriter wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein? Given the probably reluctance of most victims to come forward, active concealment by (apparently) multiple large banks (Deutsche Bank was sued and settled with New York, and now JP Morgan by USVI), investigators getting proof beyond a reasonable doubt even if there aren’t powerful people with law enforcement connections with an int…

there is a tangible disinterest in prosecuting this --as well as most-- sex crimes in the united states. In many US states, rape kits used as pivotal evidence during trial are backlogged and processed at a near glacial rate or lost entirely. Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein are examples of a situation where power in the united states, combined with a longstanding puritanical distaste for sex, culminated in a decades l…

> there is a tangible disinterest in prosecuting this –as well as most– sex crimes in the united states.

This is definitely the case, and is one of the reasons I won’t go farther than suggesting there is reason to suspect specific corrupt influence on this case. It looks pretty bad, but a lot of the prosecution (or not) of sex crimes just doesn’t get attention, and looks as bad or worse when examined closely. There may be specific corrupt influence, and there are lots of directions that could have come from, but it also could be just the general attitude of tolerance for sex crimes in the US. Conspiracies are sexier, and allow one to ignore the glaring societal/broad systemic problem and pass off responsibility.

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by xref »

lostlogin wrote: post #49
HideousKojima wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's in a can, last I checked.

Are you referring to a person rather than a piercing?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Albert_(tobacco)

As for the piercing…I’ll let people Google that themselves

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by ETH_start »

Lawyers after big damages are always going to try to blame every one even tangentially related to a crime for that crime, which encourages a society where we must presume every one guilty, until we prove them innocent, before engaging in a free market interaction with them.

If cash were a bank that could pay damages, they would blame every crime where cash changed hands, for that crime, and it would become the most vilified bank in the world.

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by nickphx »

headsoup wrote: post #50
pclmulqdq wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's literally a black book with names in it, as well as flight records. There is plenty of evidence here to get started on a charge without the banks or victims cooperating.

You have to remember that Federal investigations don't work like that. They don't arrest (even if it appears obvious) and then build evidence; they build a strong case quietly then arrest (look up Prenda Law for a good story on this). Interestingly though, most of the time public or powerful figures go to jail it's not (or not mainly) for the crime assumed, it's for 'Lying to the Feds' (see Martha Stewart for example…

They do work like that. My house was raided as part of an investigation. It was about two years after the search that the DOJ indicted me for conspiracy to commit copyright infringement..

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by wolverine876 »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #4
iinnPP wrote: post #3

Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein?

application of law is politicized and protects status quo power

What does that mean? It's at least somewhat politicized and protects the status quo, but it's clearly not entirely such - powerful status quo people go to jail and suffer other penalties.

The meaningful question is, how and in what ways is it true, and who what where and when? And what shall we do about it?

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by wolverine876 »

ETH_start wrote: post #54

Lawyers after big damages are always going to try to blame every one even tangentially related to a crime for that crime, which encourages a society where we must presume every one guilty, until we prove them innocent, before engaging in a free market interaction with them. If cash were a bank that could pay damages, they would blame every crime where cash changed hands, for that crime, and it would become the most v…

The party suing in this case is the government.

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by cvrjk »

nickphx wrote: post #55
headsoup wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to remember that Federal investigations don't work like that. They don't arrest (even if it appears obvious) and then build evidence; they build a strong case quietly then arrest (look up Prenda Law for a good story on this). Interestingly though, most of the time public or powerful figures go to jail it's not (or not mainly) for the crime assumed, it's for 'Lying to the Feds' (see Martha Stewart for example…

They do work like that. My house was raided as part of an investigation. It was about two years after the search that the DOJ indicted me for conspiracy to commit copyright infringement..

Interesting! Would you mind elaborating?

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by ETH_start »

wolverine876 wrote: post #57
ETH_start wrote: post #54

Lawyers after big damages are always going to try to blame every one even tangentially related to a crime for that crime, which encourages a society where we must presume every one guilty, until we prove them innocent, before engaging in a free market interaction with them. If cash were a bank that could pay damages, they would blame every crime where cash changed hands, for that crime, and it would become the most v…

The party suing in this case is the government.

And lawyers get a sizable commission on whatever damages are awarded. Litigating against deep-pocketed parties is an industry.
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