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Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by dragonwriter »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #27
dragonwriter wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein? Given the probably reluctance of most victims to come forward, active concealment by (apparently) multiple large banks (Deutsche Bank was sued and settled with New York, and now JP Morgan by USVI), investigators getting proof beyond a reasonable doubt even if there aren’t powerful people with law enforcement connections with an int…

There's literally a black book with names in it, as well as flight records. There is plenty of evidence here to get started on a charge without the banks or victims cooperating.

> There’s literally a black book with names in it, as well as flight records.

That’s…not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Heck, its probably not even probable cause of any crime.

> There is plenty of evidence here to get started on a charge

There is evidence enough to open investigations, sure. Law enforcement agencies don’t generally announce that.

Whether there is evidence to do more than that is…speculation.

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by gdpr2022ap »

eternalban wrote: post #14
dragonwriter wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein? Given the probably reluctance of most victims to come forward, active concealment by (apparently) multiple large banks (Deutsche Bank was sued and settled with New York, and now JP Morgan by USVI), investigators getting proof beyond a reasonable doubt even if there aren’t powerful people with law enforcement connections with an int…

Why are we pussy footing around this? This affair has all the hallmarks of a state level blackmail operation run by CIA and Mossad. ("law enforcement" is a rather amusing label for spook agencies.)

> Why are we pussy footing around this?

Same reason we pussy foot around any topic that puts attention on the corruption of the wealthy and their connections. This website is owned by, and has its content moderated in lockstep with, wealthy holders of capital.

Putting due spotlight on that will get your content removed.

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by thefounder »

readonlybarbie wrote: post #37
Godel_unicode wrote: post #34

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In the United States there has to be evidence of a specific crime. Being an associate of a scumbag isn’t illegal, nor is having taken a flight.

Very interesting perspective, considering that iirc, failure to report the specific crime of child sex trafficking / rape is a crime itself.

>> failure to report the specific crime of child sex trafficking / rape is a crime itself.

Ok but where is the evidence? I don't think the cops can just showup to Epstain's associates door and try to snatch confessions without evidence. They have lawyers. Why would they confess?

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by dragonwriter »

readonlybarbie wrote: post #37
Godel_unicode wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the United States there has to be evidence of a specific crime. Being an associate of a scumbag isn’t illegal, nor is having taken a flight.

Very interesting perspective, considering that iirc, failure to report the specific crime of child sex trafficking / rape is a crime itself.

> Failure to report the specific crime of child sex trafficking / rape is a crime itself.

Generally, not, AFAICT. State laws (in some cases, under a federal mandate requiring states to do so to receive federal funds) designate a variety of mandatory reporters (one of the most universal of which is health care providers), but there is no federal universal reporting mandate.

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by aborsy »

mikeyouse wrote: post #29
idontwantthis wrote: post #20

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There are so many levels to the conspiracy that I think some conspiracy must have occurred. He was in a notoriously unsafe prison: the fact that that exists is a conspiracy on its own. the fact that he wasn’t under constant surveillance, the fact that he was given a dangerous cell mate.

None of that is remotely interesting to people with experience with prisons. There are tons of dangerous criminals and he was on suicide watch until he wasn’t, at which point he committed suicide. There aren’t enough resources to watch all of the prisoners all of the time, so he waited until he wasn’t being monitored and then committed suicide. Donald Trump ran the DOJ who controlled the BOP would be the only person…

A lot of money is spent on such high profile cases at various levels. Monitoring the person 24/7 costs nothing in comparison (at least, checking that cameras function)!

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by thefounder »

pseudo0 wrote: post #21
nvr219 wrote: post #15

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How's Mossad involved? I'd think MI6 maybe.

Ghislaine Maxwell is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, who was a suspected Mossad spy. Per Wikipedia: > The Foreign Office suspected that Maxwell was a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia". He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intellig…

Ok but how does that make his doughter a super spy?

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by Godel_unicode »

tdeck wrote: post #31
lazide wrote: post #25

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If the private settlement includes a gag condition for the primary criminal witness….

Is it legal to enforce an NDA that covers up a crime?

It is not. Attempting to do so would be obstruction.

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by dragonwriter »

tdeck wrote: post #31
lazide wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the private settlement includes a gag condition for the primary criminal witness….

Is it legal to enforce an NDA that covers up a crime?

> Is it legal to enforce an NDA that covers up a crime?

Not only would such an NDA be unenforceable, offering (in so far as that implies a threat to enforce) and even moreso directly threatening to enforce one for that purpose (leveraging the other parties lack of knowledge that it was unenforceable or fear of the consequences of a lawsuit even without merit) would seem to be witness tampering, a separate crime.

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Post by headsoup »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #27
dragonwriter wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein? Given the probably reluctance of most victims to come forward, active concealment by (apparently) multiple large banks (Deutsche Bank was sued and settled with New York, and now JP Morgan by USVI), investigators getting proof beyond a reasonable doubt even if there aren’t powerful people with law enforcement connections with an int…

There's literally a black book with names in it, as well as flight records. There is plenty of evidence here to get started on a charge without the banks or victims cooperating.

You have to remember that Federal investigations don't work like that. They don't arrest (even if it appears obvious) and then build evidence; they build a strong case quietly then arrest (look up Prenda Law for a good story on this).

Interestingly though, most of the time public or powerful figures go to jail it's not (or not mainly) for the crime assumed, it's for 'Lying to the Feds' (see Martha Stewart for example). It's notoriously hard and time consuming to put away the big time criminals because they have big time resources and connections.

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