Posters of the IPv4 and IPv6 internet as of Jan 1, 2023
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Re: Posters of the IPv4 and IPv6 internet as of Jan 1, 2023
#2Serious question: why would I want to purchase this as a poster?
Asking as a nerd, but maybe not a very specific data oriented nerd.
Re: Posters of the IPv4 and IPv6 internet as of Jan 1, 2023
#3Why does Ford still have an entire /8 (and even worse, completely unused)?
Re: Posters of the IPv4 and IPv6 internet as of Jan 1, 2023
#4In considering the rollout of IPv6, end users often get marginalized. This is frustrating to me. When we try to highlight ISPs who refuse to deploy IPv6, mobile services get highlighted - as if homes and businesses could just use them instead of wireline. If that doesn't end the discussion then IPv6 acolytes will go on about transit traffic or anything else until IPv4-only users go away and stop ruining their optimism.
Personally, I'm very positive about IPv6. I find a lot to like in the protocol. From an end user standpoint tho, it's very much a club. If your ISP is in you're golden. If not, you don't exist to other members.
Re: Posters of the IPv4 and IPv6 internet as of Jan 1, 2023
#5In considering the rollout of IPv6, end users often get marginalized. This is frustrating to me. When we try to highlight ISPs who refuse to deploy IPv6, mobile services get highlighted - as if homes and businesses could just use them instead of wireline. If that doesn't end the discussion then IPv6 acolytes will go on about transit traffic or anything else until IPv4-only users go away and stop ruining their optimis…
> Personally, I'm very positive about IPv6. I find a lot to like in the protocol
Please expand on this (besides ‘wow such large numbers’…). I’ll take my answer off the air.
Re: Posters of the IPv4 and IPv6 internet as of Jan 1, 2023
#6Why does Ford still have an entire /8 (and even worse, completely unused)?
Why does McDonald’s own so much prime real estate? Kind of a misguided question imo.
Re: Posters of the IPv4 and IPv6 internet as of Jan 1, 2023
#7In considering the rollout of IPv6, end users often get marginalized. This is frustrating to me. When we try to highlight ISPs who refuse to deploy IPv6, mobile services get highlighted - as if homes and businesses could just use them instead of wireline. If that doesn't end the discussion then IPv6 acolytes will go on about transit traffic or anything else until IPv4-only users go away and stop ruining their optimis…
> Personally, I'm very positive about IPv6. I find a lot to like in the protocol Please expand on this (besides ‘wow such large numbers’…). I’ll take my answer off the air.
I enjoy how RA handles address assignment. I like how the address space feels huge and uncrowded (almost private), like how internet v1 once did. I like it when the lightbulbs go off the first time I get a service working.
I like feeling like a member of the club.
Re: Posters of the IPv4 and IPv6 internet as of Jan 1, 2023
#8IPv6 is handed out using sparse allocation inside /12 from IANA ensuring two goals: minimal recall on IANA and maximum utilisation inside each /12 preserving second call headroom for the original delegates announcing the space in BGP. They can take a /32 to a 31 or 30 or 26 or whatever and not have to announce disaggregated blocks in BGP. (They can disaggregate, but it's not forced by being given discontinuous blocks) The sparse model is like binary chop: it tends to equalise the size of the "hole" across all delegations. It's a reservation system without having to make reservations: within limits everyone who hasn't yet requested subsequent space can request it, and everyone within reason has the same growth potential to market against other delegates of the same size at that point in time.
APNIC runs modified sparse: the /12 is divided up into pools and bigger and smaller parts are used to make two sets of binary chop headroom reflecting the scale.
The outcome should be visible in the chart: a grey peppering of blocks spread throughout the /12s and for APNIC evidence of at least two densities of scatter.
Broadly speaking, it's worked. The RIR collectively haven't gone back to IANA very often, a lot of IPv6 space remains. Scarcity isn't driving the dynamics of BGP announcement and disaggregation. Compare that to IPv4, costs of entry to market for new players, avg number of prefixes and relative disaggregation of holdings.
(Disclaimer: work in an RIR)
Re: Posters of the IPv4 and IPv6 internet as of Jan 1, 2023
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Personally, I'm very positive about IPv6. I find a lot to like in the protocol Please expand on this (besides ‘wow such large numbers’…). I’ll take my answer off the air.
I enjoy how RA handles address assignment. I like how the address space feels huge and uncrowded (almost private), like how internet v1 once did. I like it when the lightbulbs go off the first time I get a service working. I like feeling like a member of the club.
> I like how the address space feels huge and uncrowded…
^^ in case anyone is wondering why IPv6 is where it’s at after a decade…
Sigh.
Re: Posters of the IPv4 and IPv6 internet as of Jan 1, 2023
#10IPv6 is handed out using sparse allocation inside /12 from IANA ensuring two goals: minimal recall on IANA and maximum utilisation inside each /12 preserving second call headroom for the original delegates announcing the space in BGP. They can take a /32 to a 31 or 30 or 26 or whatever and not have to announce disaggregated blocks in BGP. (They can disaggregate, but it's not forced by being given discontinuous blocks…
As an example of how big ipv6 is, we got a /29 from ripe at a not very big at all ISP, which even if we had handed out a /48 to each and every DIA customer physical location/cpe, would have lasted us at our projected growth rate for the next several hundred years.
And that was in addition to the ARIN /32 we already had.