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Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by CodexArcana »

yucky wrote: post #438
bill_joy_fanboy wrote: post #98

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Whenever someone uses the word "entitled", I just hear my mom. People who participate in and contribute to society are entitled to things. They should have a sufficient wage, safe housing, food and clean water. If I as a tax-paying, working member of society am not "entitled" to anything, why would I care about the perpetuation of the society? If I'm not "entitled" to anything, why should I care about anything or any…

> People who participate in and contribute to society are entitled to things. They should have a sufficient wage, safe housing, food and clean water. This is the /antiwork crowd we're talking about? The ones too emotionally stunted to even crawl out of bed and do anything productive because they've self-diagnosed as depressed/anxiety ridden/whatever? No they're not entitled to anything. The ones that actually contrib…

Someone has to make you your nuggies at McDonald's homie. It's going to be someone, it might even be you. Half the workers at any McDonald's I've ever been to are elders who should be retired.

The level of isolation you are suffering from is profound and I hope you find a way out of it.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by yucky »

CodexArcana wrote: post #460
yucky wrote: post #155

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Fewer people are "drinking themselves to death" now than in previous generations, so that can't be it. Maybe the issue is that they literally have had it too good, and were too coddled, and now they can't handle regular life. If that's the case, what is the solution? Treat kids worse, make them face more adversity like previous generations did?

Homie, the things your parents did to you was abuse. The things you did to your kids, because your parents did them, was abuse. Your parents were probably self medicating with alcohol. What ever fault you have with the younger generation is on you and your generations behaviors. You need to get out and actually listen to some people younger than you. It's clear you've never had an emotionally present conversation wit…

This sounds like something a high school kid would write. I interact with them daily, they literally "can't even". The entire generation is emotionally crippled, depressed, self-medicating (and diagnosing), and honestly appears incapable of functioning in society as an adult.

Have you stopped to consider how weird it is that you find that entire generation completely without fault? The first faultless generation? How convenient...

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by yucky »

s5300 wrote: post #224
yucky wrote: post #155

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Fewer people are "drinking themselves to death" now than in previous generations, so that can't be it. Maybe the issue is that they literally have had it too good, and were too coddled, and now they can't handle regular life. If that's the case, what is the solution? Treat kids worse, make them face more adversity like previous generations did?

I really hope you’re being sarcastic but I genuinely cannot tell so I guess I’ll reply. >>Fewer people are "drinking themselves to death" now than in previous generations, so that can't be it. Do you believe that we do not live in an age (with social media) in which it is much easier for anybody growing up to see exponentially a more examples of things I’ve mentioned? Just because things may be trending down, there i…

Your entire post goes against the data which shows this generation was coddled (probably too much) and that they statistically have it better than any generation in the history of mankind.

If anything, it appears the problem is that they have had it too easy. They are in need of nothing, which leaves them to create their own problems, in need of solving of course.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by yucky »

NERD_ALERT wrote: post #108
yucky wrote: post #41

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I'm confused. They're too broke to move away from home, but their mental health is bad because they were coddled while they were at home and now they're no longer at home and struggling, but also more of them live at home later in life than in generations past? Is it possible maybe the problem is they are just a bit too entitled on average, and when things don't go perfectly they can't cope? That's been my experience…

> And they're also all in therapy too and super in touch with their feelings and emotions which is supposed to help, but is actually likely to be a large part of the problem. Can you elaborate on how going to therapy is “a large part of the problem.”

If you think you think you need therapy for every little thing, how exactly would you function as an adult? Adults develop coping skills. If you can't cope with anything, you can't function as an adult.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by yucky »

BeFlatXIII wrote: post #399
yucky wrote: post #80

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That's a cop out, and only reinforces their internalized belief that literally nothing is their own fault. Find a Gen Z person who is fully accountable for their own actions and you will have located a unicorn. It's uncanny how in-sync that entire generation is with the idea that they are not only owed the world, but have no fault. They are crippled by the actions of "others" (whoever the others are doesn't matter -…

You’re mixing up “your responsibility to solve” with “you created this problem in the first place”

You don't see it as disrespectful to pretend Gen Z has no agency, no ability to actually solve their own self-induced problems?

Everything is someone else's fault? Is there anything they have brought about upon themselves that they can solve themselves, or are they helpless?

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by yucky »

CodexArcana wrote: post #461
yucky wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People who participate in and contribute to society are entitled to things. They should have a sufficient wage, safe housing, food and clean water. This is the /antiwork crowd we're talking about? The ones too emotionally stunted to even crawl out of bed and do anything productive because they've self-diagnosed as depressed/anxiety ridden/whatever? No they're not entitled to anything. The ones that actually contrib…

Someone has to make you your nuggies at McDonald's homie. It's going to be someone, it might even be you. Half the workers at any McDonald's I've ever been to are elders who should be retired. The level of isolation you are suffering from is profound and I hope you find a way out of it.

By the next time I bother to go to McDonalds, I'm sure the robots will at least not fuck my order up like the stoners always do. Not sure what the Marxist burger flippers will do now, but since they don't care, I guess I won't either.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by s5300 »

yucky wrote: post #463
s5300 wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hope you’re being sarcastic but I genuinely cannot tell so I guess I’ll reply. >>Fewer people are "drinking themselves to death" now than in previous generations, so that can't be it. Do you believe that we do not live in an age (with social media) in which it is much easier for anybody growing up to see exponentially a more examples of things I’ve mentioned? Just because things may be trending down, there i…

Your entire post goes against the data which shows this generation was coddled (probably too much) and that they statistically have it better than any generation in the history of mankind. If anything, it appears the problem is that they have had it too easy. They are in need of nothing, which leaves them to create their own problems, in need of solving of course.

The people with nearly no pathway to home ownership, a bachelors degree required for the most basic of jobs, & the least social mobility in over a century are “in need of nothing”

You clearly aren’t to be reasoned with. I also think you would benefit from therapy, but I digress.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by leonhard »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #415
leonhard wrote: post #358

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How did you improve your conflict management skills and do you have any particular lessons to share?

I suspect it is different for different people. In our case it really helped to sit down with a third party (a counselor) while we "conflicted." That gave the counselor an opportunity to stop us in the middle of a sentence and explore where our head was and what we were thinking. It took doing this once a week for a bit more than a year to both unravel the core knot and to develop and practice the skills of listening…

Thank you!

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by harleypig »

escapedmoose wrote: post #87
Mikeb85 wrote: post #36

It's because there's nothing for them to look forward to. People keep asking why is X group struggling? And there's been enough articles about different groups that X is basically nearly everyone. Things are not getting better for anyone except the extremely wealthy.

The kids I know these days are fantastic. They’re empathetic, smart, polite, and all-around much better people than my friends and I were at their age. They’re so good and they give me so much hope. But they’re also troubled. They struggle with anxiety and depression (and younger) more deeply than anyone I knew growing up. My theory is that we’ve simply handed them a more difficult world to grow up in. They’re handli…

I said something similar to my son a little while ago. He said "That's because you taught me to be polite to my elders. We're not that well behaved on our own."

Despite what we may think about our children (or "the youth of today"), they are basically the same as they've always been, behaving well for adults--mainly I suspect to keep the adults attention away from them.

I think that, as long as we keep the above in mind when we deal with the younger generation we'll be able to help to them rise above our mistakes.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by moonchrome »

ido wrote: post #346
moonchrome wrote: post #205

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Seeing how I was the odd one out in my generation (poor/large family in the neighborhood) comparing myself to peers I don't see the value of my undirected roaming. For example I remember having a huge leap in physical abilities when I started takng taekwondo classes around that age. After school activities let me thinker with stuff. Roaming around was just lack of better things to do. Not really seeing what my peers…

But taekwondo is once a week. Roaming the forest instead of playing NES is something you did every afternoon. I too have 2 children and struggle a lot with this question, I tend to lean towards more independence and my wife towards more supervision.

> But taekwondo is once a week.

We had 3x per week IIRC. My kid is too young still but in the next year I think I'll start taking him to judo. Add swimming classes and his week is full of activities.

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