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Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by yucky »

svnt wrote: post #362
moistly wrote: post #264

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In the late seventies/early eighties we grew up believing we were going to die in a nuclear holocaust. Have you watched “The Day After” and “Threads”? Way worse on a child’s psyche than “Don’t Look Up” because doesn’t depict survival in an irradiated apocalypse of pain, wounds, death, and deprivation: everyone just gathers for a nice dinner and instant obliteration. We Gen-X coped with the grim possibility of nuclear…

They don’t, but Gen X had Boomer or Silent generation parents who mostly refused to relate emotionally. So punk, angst, grunge made its way into public communication instead. Gen Z is lucky in a sense to have mostly Gen X or younger parents, who are like, yeah, it sucks, I feel you. This is validating for Gen Z is a wonderful way and I hope that everyone complaining about emotional entitlement can come to understand…

   > it is not a weakness, it is a strength.
How so? They're all so depressed, and hopeless. What part of that is strong? How is that beneficial?

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by [deleted] »

bill_joy_fanboy wrote: post #389
solatic wrote: post #351

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Because in the real world, the only transactional relationships you ought to have are ones that explicitly involve money. It's difficult to learn to start to relate to people in a non-transactional manner, but it's necessary to develop genuine relationships.

It's difficult to worry about higher-order emotions when your basic material needs aren't met.

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Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by giantg2 »

syzarian wrote: post #443
giantg2 wrote: post #422

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I'm not talking about truly rural areas. I'm talking about suburbs and developments where a significant number of children live. Living in town is in fact suburban or even urban depending on the density. Honestly the walking thing is BS. CA was the last hold out. I believe all states now take the reasonable approach of it only being a crime if you impede traffic, or if you choose to walk in the stret when there is a…

The walking “thing” as you put it was clearly not read by you. I think the author of the paper knows more about it than you. If you think walking isn’t criminalized in America then go out for a walk in an affluent white neighborhood with 4 black teenage boys and experience it for yourself. We can believe the children of the nation lack imagination or that society has evolved in such a way that discourages walking and…

I did read. It has outdated information. Appeal to authority? Any real argument behind that? You comment about black teenagers is not a cogent argument.

Walking is not a crime. Show me otherwise.

The one that's more reasonable to believe is the one where kids have their noses in phones and aren't independent enough to go out on their own.

"Fairly rural neighborhood" and "rural town". Rural, but in the context of a neighborhood or a town. There are varying levels of development, and the larger surrounding area can add context.

It sounds like you're trolling if you can't make a good argument and are simply attacking me. Bye

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by bcrl »

I was a free range kid. I would wander off 5 km from home on my bike and wander through the bush and back roads, and everything was fine so long as I got home for supper. Hell, as a teenager I would hitchhike the 100km trek from the city out to home in the country on a weekly basis. It saddens me that this is considered unacceptable in modern society based on perceived fear that is out of whack with actual crime statistics.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by kmlx »

mkl wrote: post #317
kmlx wrote: post #139

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> loose since a few years ago i’ve noticed a trend where people write “loose” (not firmly or tightly fixed in place; detached or able to be detached. "a loose tooth") instead of “lose” (be deprived of or cease to have or retain (something). "I've lost my appetite") does anyone know what’s going on?

And "it's" instead of "its", "you're" and "they're" instead of "your" and "their", "weary" instead of "wary". Lots more people seem to be making these same mistakes.

i understand making these mistakes, but it’s been getting worse in the past few years.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by kmlx »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #390
kmlx wrote: post #139

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> loose since a few years ago i’ve noticed a trend where people write “loose” (not firmly or tightly fixed in place; detached or able to be detached. "a loose tooth") instead of “lose” (be deprived of or cease to have or retain (something). "I've lost my appetite") does anyone know what’s going on?

For me as a non-native English speaker it might be a case of English having confusing pronunciations. Pronunciation of loose and lose is very similar if not the same (I probably couldn't tell them apart). One might expect lose to be pronounced similarly to words like hose, rose or pose.

i’m also not a native english speaker, but having to pass english certification exams made me a lot more of pronunciation.

loose is /luːs/

lose is /luːz/

notice the “s” and “z”. i’m sure this doesn’t help in languages where “s” and “z” are very close together phonetically.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by sixstringtheory »

kmlx wrote: post #455
mkl wrote: post #317

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And "it's" instead of "its", "you're" and "they're" instead of "your" and "their", "weary" instead of "wary". Lots more people seem to be making these same mistakes.

i understand making these mistakes, but it’s been getting worse in the past few years.

I use swipe typing on my smartphone and it makes these and other close but wrong insertions all the time.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by syzarian »

giantg2 wrote: post #453
syzarian wrote: post #443

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The walking “thing” as you put it was clearly not read by you. I think the author of the paper knows more about it than you. If you think walking isn’t criminalized in America then go out for a walk in an affluent white neighborhood with 4 black teenage boys and experience it for yourself. We can believe the children of the nation lack imagination or that society has evolved in such a way that discourages walking and…

I did read. It has outdated information. Appeal to authority? Any real argument behind that? You comment about black teenagers is not a cogent argument. Walking is not a crime. Show me otherwise. The one that's more reasonable to believe is the one where kids have their noses in phones and aren't independent enough to go out on their own. " Fairly rural neighborhood " and " rural town ". Rural, but in the context of…

Appeal to authority is not an argumentative fallacy. Appealing to a false authority is. For instance, appealing to the authority of a Ph.D. in quantum physics is perfectly fine to do when the topic is quantum physics. Appealing to that same authority about the law is not.

It appears your understanding of what “trolling” is mirrors your understanding of argumentative fallacies.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by CodexArcana »

yucky wrote: post #202
standardUser wrote: post #130

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That's the same tired stuff people said about Millennials and Gen Xers before them. The younger generations are vastly more open, honest, kind and generous than older generations. They just have significantly less tolerance for hateful people and "punching down". That rubs older generations the wrong way because they tend to hate (or fear) a lot of things and think it's funny/acceptable to punch down.

No, they're too emotionally delicate to even function as adults. And it's a problem.

This is the kind of critical analysis I'd expect from someone who is too emotionally delicate to function as an adult.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by CodexArcana »

yucky wrote: post #155
s5300 wrote: post #88

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>> but damn if 20-somethings aren't emotionally fragile at a level the world has never seen before. And they're also all in therapy too and super in touch with their feelings and emotions which is supposed to help They’ve probably seen enough older people drink themselves to literal death, along with other types of deaths of despair, & make a conscious choice to not want to end up that way. Whether or not it will wor…

Fewer people are "drinking themselves to death" now than in previous generations, so that can't be it. Maybe the issue is that they literally have had it too good, and were too coddled, and now they can't handle regular life. If that's the case, what is the solution? Treat kids worse, make them face more adversity like previous generations did?

Homie, the things your parents did to you was abuse. The things you did to your kids, because your parents did them, was abuse. Your parents were probably self medicating with alcohol. What ever fault you have with the younger generation is on you and your generations behaviors.

You need to get out and actually listen to some people younger than you. It's clear you've never had an emotionally present conversation with a young person.

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