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South Korea's middle aged men are dying 'lonely deaths'

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Re: South Korea's middle aged men are dying 'lonely deaths'

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I'm a middle aged man living alone. My plan for when I need to die is to buy top loaded freezer and prepay my electric bill to give people at least few years to find my body, keeping the process as easy, for the unfortunates who do, and as clean as possible.

Perhaps a dead man's AC would be better? Set it to minimum temperature if the timer isn't reset after 12h.

That's even worse for the environment.

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Religion has many positive benefits on society. We minister to those within our own congregation and are aware of individuals needs. A sense of community is fostered and people are concerned about more than themselves. Perhaps the pendulum will swing back to people discovering religion?

The same argument can be made for becoming a regular at a bar, lol.

The strength of the religious congregations is that they have a built-in forcing function that drives a regular attendance and brings families and individuals together. You must go to avoid hell, drives more attendance than going to avoid possible, future loneliness.

I am an ardent atheist, but this aspect of religion makes me wish I too was delusional.

Re: South Korea's middle aged men are dying 'lonely deaths'

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Religion has many positive benefits on society. We minister to those within our own congregation and are aware of individuals needs. A sense of community is fostered and people are concerned about more than themselves. Perhaps the pendulum will swing back to people discovering religion?

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Re: South Korea's middle aged men are dying 'lonely deaths'

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Transactional but also intentional. Nothing more or less. Men are not bad at maintaining relationships, that is a falsehood. Historically, men built all the hierarchical structures we have today. Antrhopologists used to say that men build a large and shallow network of relationships (while women prefer small but more intimate groups or pairs). It doesn't have to involve communal living, but instead regular gatherings…

I'm not sure if the shallow, mostly transactional relations men build help in the context of loneliness. Non-religious versions of "churches" seem to fail due to a lack of regular attendance. Free Masons seem to have solved this by building some kinds of pressure to attend. I genuinely wonder why they fell out of favor. Did they just become uncool?

I think so. I've been around some of the amvet/freemason/rotary clubs and there is an age group that mostly dominates that might turn away newcomers.

Could be it's like how younger people shied away from Facebook to Instagram, and then the even younger people hopped onto Tiktok.

Re: South Korea's middle aged men are dying 'lonely deaths'

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I'm a middle aged man living alone. My plan for when I need to die is to buy top loaded freezer and prepay my electric bill to give people at least few years to find my body, keeping the process as easy, for the unfortunates who do, and as clean as possible.

Why not join a reading club instead?

Dying in a reading club seems messier.

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This is a situation that will affect too many men worldwide as they are more likely to live single / be childless. The solution is to have communities or networks of people built explitictly around the idea of caring for others.

I think it suffers from the problem that people who provide caring don’t need this, so you are stuck with the net takers and trying to build a community from them.

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What are some examples of proposed solutions that the progressive left would oppose?

Encouraging people to marry and have committed monogamous relationships. Create a stigma to encourage people to only have sex inside of committed marriage relationships so when they get older the have a lasting relationship with someone. Also it's would help killing the sex trade as a young man will pe willing to pay for it via websites or in person, but don't form those long term relationships before it's too late.

These christian-adjacent solutions seem completely bizarre to me. They smell like solutions that have been worked backwards from ideology than actual data.

South Korea is a christian nation; forget prostitution, even pornography is banned in South Korea. South Korea, while being largely agnostic (~49%), is largely a christian nation by largest sect. If your prescriptions worked, South Korea would be a poster child for christian conservative values, but alas here we are reading about South Korean middle aged men.

I don't know what it is about the refusal acknowledge the clear economic failures happening right now and to completely ignore that those grievances of the progressive left while hyperfocusing on more feminist policies. People simply cannot afford to do anything other than work, and it's somehow shocking that people who spend all their time working don't have time to form meaningful relationships or even plan for children.

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I'm a middle aged man living alone. My plan for when I need to die is to buy top loaded freezer and prepay my electric bill to give people at least few years to find my body, keeping the process as easy, for the unfortunates who do, and as clean as possible.

I think someone will notice when you fail to pay the electric bill. But will someone notice before the freezer thaws completely?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Encouraging people to marry and have committed monogamous relationships. Create a stigma to encourage people to only have sex inside of committed marriage relationships so when they get older the have a lasting relationship with someone. Also it's would help killing the sex trade as a young man will pe willing to pay for it via websites or in person, but don't form those long term relationships before it's too late.

Like I said in a sister comment, you have 108 male to 100 female at birth (correction: 105 to 100[0] in the US), so what do you do with the 'leftovers'? And if some females don't want to play house now that they can survive on their own, do you force them to play? [0] https://www.who.int/data/maternal-newborn-child-adolescent-a...

Maybe it's an adaptation that arose as a result of the constant state of war, which is now gone.
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