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Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by watwut »

objetovoador wrote: post #58
yucky wrote: post #41

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I'm confused. They're too broke to move away from home, but their mental health is bad because they were coddled while they were at home and now they're no longer at home and struggling, but also more of them live at home later in life than in generations past? Is it possible maybe the problem is they are just a bit too entitled on average, and when things don't go perfectly they can't cope? That's been my experience…

> Is it possible maybe the problem is they are just a bit too entitled on average, and when things don't go perfectly they can't cope? Precisely. The world has never been safer or as rich, and it seems like my generation is extremely lacking in independence. Everyone has to be told to do things, it's like they have no concept of what to do without being commanded. I feel like many simply can't come up with answers on…

The younger generation was growing into worst economy that their parents generation did. Unemployment was higher. Their education is also massively more expensive. The Healthcare detto.

It is just not true that they would be better off.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by watwut »

yucky wrote: post #155
s5300 wrote: post #88

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>> but damn if 20-somethings aren't emotionally fragile at a level the world has never seen before. And they're also all in therapy too and super in touch with their feelings and emotions which is supposed to help They’ve probably seen enough older people drink themselves to literal death, along with other types of deaths of despair, & make a conscious choice to not want to end up that way. Whether or not it will wor…

Fewer people are "drinking themselves to death" now than in previous generations, so that can't be it. Maybe the issue is that they literally have had it too good, and were too coddled, and now they can't handle regular life. If that's the case, what is the solution? Treat kids worse, make them face more adversity like previous generations did?

Yes, and a lot of those previous deaths was self medication due to mental health problems.

And the same goes for minor violent crimes committed by young people. And teenage pregnancies. Many of those were result of kids having issues and acting out. They are down now.

Also, my generation had it easier then current one. Economy was better, education cheaper, housing cheaper.

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thanhhaimai wrote: post #214

> Chentsova Dutton and her team interviewed students from Turkey, Russia, Canada and the United States, asking them to describe a risky or dangerous experience they had in the _last month_. Both Turkish and Russian students described witnessing events that involved actual risk: violent fights on public transportation; hazardous driving conditions caused by drunk drivers; women being aggressively followed on the stree…

I personally think that American students not being engaged or treated by violent fights in public transport says something good about USA. The Russians being engaged in them says something about Russian society breaking.

The "last month" thing is fairly standard through. They are looking for statistics of recent events, lifestyle "now". Not lifestyle 5 years ago.

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Post by bigmattystyles »

brailsafe wrote: post #261
bobsmooth wrote: post #257

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Are all suburbs like this? There were plenty of things in biking distance in my neighborhood.

No, but many are, particularly modern cul-de-sacs

Cul de sac rollerblade hockey is how I spent much of my youth. So many good memories.

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bostonwalker wrote: post #90

> Clinical psychologist Camilo Ortiz, a professor at Long Island University-Post, began noticing a few years ago that some of his young patients, mostly children being treated for anxiety, would “fold very quickly” at the first sign of adversity This is a perfect description of someone I met recently on a road trip with friends. From our first encounter he came off as feeling miserable and sorry for himself. He didn’…

There were always people unable to drive. The odd thing is that this guy either pretended to be able to drive or was pressured into driving despite lack of skills.

He absolutely should have say no to request to drive in that state. Inability to admit limitation is an issue when it comes to driving.

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Post by watwut »

remarkEon wrote: post #179
xabotage wrote: post #115

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There won't be an exact replacement because the circumstances that led to the community cannot (or rather, should not) be replicated. For the sake of the survival of the planet/species, I also don't think any institution based around magical thinking should fill the gap. Keep in mind that high-demand religions require a huge investment of time and money. Devoting even just a fraction of those resources to hobbies, ar…

Humans have tried "we believe in nothing", throughout history, and yet ... I see no Cathedrals, no beautiful songs, no art, no science, no entire civilizations built to the honor of ... nothing. >which is why people are leaving it. Attendance at TLM is increasing , not decreasing.

What are you talking about. There us massive production of songs and art going on now. Both professional and amateur. And science going on strong too.

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Post by mkl »

kmlx wrote: post #139
_mme wrote: post #22

I‘m 42. Here‘s my advice to someone half my age. Have conflicts. Put your heart into it. If you loose, you receive some truth. If you win you give some truth. The outcome does not matter if it means you grow. Go eat or drink together as if nothing happened.

> loose since a few years ago i’ve noticed a trend where people write “loose” (not firmly or tightly fixed in place; detached or able to be detached. "a loose tooth") instead of “lose” (be deprived of or cease to have or retain (something). "I've lost my appetite") does anyone know what’s going on?

And "it's" instead of "its", "you're" and "they're" instead of "your" and "their", "weary" instead of "wary". Lots more people seem to be making these same mistakes.

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Post by watwut »

meowtimemania wrote: post #92
xabotage wrote: post #29

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There is definitely a massive breakdown of old social institutions that have not adapted to the modern world. People don't need to be closely knit to their families and local religion in order to survive anymore, and they are simultaneously discovering how awful these institutions habitually are. To improve families, I imagine we'd have to wait for a significantly large generation to mature whose parents started a fa…

What is the modern replacement for religion? Growing up I felt like I had this huge tight-knit community via the mormon church. I've since left mormonism and don't think I'll ever find a replacement for the community I had in the church.

It is not religion that makes it tight. Coming from Christian country, plenty of non tight churches around.

It is intentional setup of mormonism and its power structure. Tight structure means more power for leaders and makes it harder to leave if you see something wrong.

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Post by Swizec »

kazinator wrote: post #305
rychco wrote: post #221

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The stereotypical American helicopter-parent/soccer-mom can be viewed as a direct result of poor zoning practices & the resulting suburban sprawl. A typical child is completely incapable of going anywhere without the guidance of a car-driving parent. It is unlikely, either on foot or bike, that they are able to get to school, get to/from sports practice, meet with friends, shop at local stores, run errands, have a pa…

No amount of zoning reform can fix the fact that it's not safe for kids in America, because it's crawling with predators. Even if you have school, shop, friends, and all that, within four blocks of each other.

> because it's crawling with predators

Indeed. The vast majority of danger to kids comes from people they know and trust.

Most kidnappings are custody disputes, for example.

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Post by katbyte »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #280
rychco wrote: post #221

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The stereotypical American helicopter-parent/soccer-mom can be viewed as a direct result of poor zoning practices & the resulting suburban sprawl. A typical child is completely incapable of going anywhere without the guidance of a car-driving parent. It is unlikely, either on foot or bike, that they are able to get to school, get to/from sports practice, meet with friends, shop at local stores, run errands, have a pa…

> The stereotypical American helicopter-parent/soccer-mom can be viewed as a direct result of poor zoning practices & the resulting suburban sprawl. Is there any evidence for that? Because, every new HN thread seems to attack suburban "sprawl". The reasoning seems plausible but I can also present plausible reasoning that goes the other way.

99pi did a podcast on it sorta: https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/first-errand/

American vs Japanese views towards this.

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