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Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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> Young adults are struggling with their mental health. Is more childhood independence the answer?

Prospects in life is the answer.

The article goes over how independence in adolescence could help reduce people's anxieties, and closes with the following which sums up the article rather nicely

> “When we are controlling a young adult’s experiences, and they go without that full range of emotional experience, we’re actually curbing people’s opportunities to live full lives, and have the full range of human experience.”

Observe then, that absence of prospects means lack of independence. There is no reasonable form of independence when you need to work 9-5 just to cover your most basic living experiences.

> “It’s about being proactive and not feeling like you’re a victim, how you can control some things, but you can’t control everything,”

But as a person, you are living in our society, and you are bound by the rules and the situation you are born into, not everyone has the opportunity to explore and put themselves in relatively difficult situations without significant consequences because that is often very taxing, especially for the destitute. It is not possible to circumvent one's economic background, or remove it from the equation. Getting your clothes dirty, putting yourself in harm's way (even minor) can be very expensive, and thus taxing.

It is absurd to expect people to go out of their comfort zone when doing so has so many tangible negatives for them.

I come from a very poor family, and all of my young adulthood was spent clawing out of poverty through education. Sure, I have overcome the anxiety described in the article, but it wasn't because I had independence.

I didn't have a car to go to university, my family left me there in the morning, I didn't have a job for a non trivial portion of my studies, I just didn't eat until it was time to eat at home and only if we had something. I didn't go to trips because I spent my summers working in internships trying to escape poverty. I didn't explore the area I did my master's in because even taking the metro meant that I'd have to choose between a meal and a trip.

I am by all means fearless and bold because I have marketable skills and a hunger for better. By all means, I was lucky to be born in a time when my skills are useful to the system.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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When reading an article like this I’m distracted by the overwhelming number of possible causes. Could be life today, life 10 years ago, or expectations for the future. We don’t have sufficient data to really disentangle so many possible variables. As a youngish adult myself I’m not sure my peers know what’s going on either as they experience mental health problems. Everything is shrouded in such complicated stories a…

yeah it seems meaningful community is hard to come by these days, at least in usa. i think economic inequality is the cause of most ills. everyone is so busy chasing scraps of money for themselves, and debt-ridden college grads often have no clear path for a career that pays their current bills, let alone ensures retirement. no affordable quiet space to sleep or think, no time or money for community centers. just a race to the bottom while staring at tik tok 24/7

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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> Chentsova Dutton said America has an international reputation for prizing autonomy, but her study opened her eyes to a more complicated picture. American parents tend to be overprotective when children are young, acting as if kids are going to live at home for a long time, like parents do in Italy. Yet they also expect children to live away from home fairly early for college, like families do in Germany. The result…

It’s such a strange blend of wanting to let your kids roam while being more aware of dangers that exist, both online and off.

It’s tough. For my son, Scouts have been wonderful for his independence. Can’t recommend it highly enough.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

#15

> Young adults are struggling with their mental health. Is more childhood independence the answer? Prospects in life is the answer. The article goes over how independence in adolescence could help reduce people's anxieties, and closes with the following which sums up the article rather nicely > “When we are controlling a young adult’s experiences, and they go without that full range of emotional experience, we’re act…

I'm not sure you are really using "independence" in the same way as the article if you saying that you are not "independent" when you are not living with your parents and working 9-5? Maybe you are thinking more about financial independence but that's not really the issue the article is talking about, which is more abut children learning to be independent from their parents.

It seems like the kind of independence being discussed is probably orthogonal from career prospects except in the sense that kids who can't go to college and get jobs that pay enough may not be able to become independent from their parents for longer.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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When reading an article like this I’m distracted by the overwhelming number of possible causes. Could be life today, life 10 years ago, or expectations for the future. We don’t have sufficient data to really disentangle so many possible variables. As a youngish adult myself I’m not sure my peers know what’s going on either as they experience mental health problems. Everything is shrouded in such complicated stories a…

yeah it seems meaningful community is hard to come by these days, at least in usa. i think economic inequality is the cause of most ills. everyone is so busy chasing scraps of money for themselves, and debt-ridden college grads often have no clear path for a career that pays their current bills, let alone ensures retirement. no affordable quiet space to sleep or think, no time or money for community centers. just a r…

> i think economic inequality is the cause of most ills.

"Poverty is both a cause of mental health problems and a consequence." If you have even a little bit of money, there is a large mental burden that is relieved. You can breathe easier, you can relax, you can take care of yourself just a little bit more. It’s a huge cognitive load that is suddenly lightened.

There’s also another problem I rarely see addressed, namely that American social norms, work practices, and consumer behavior also lead to crazy-making. We don’t have the social safety net the majority of nations do, and this contributes to the mental health feedback loop.

In my own small community, we have hundreds of untreated mentally ill people living in the streets, some of whom are randomly violent. This is not good for them and it is not good for the rest of us who are lucky enough to have places to live. There needs to be treatment programs for them to go to be helped, when in many cases they refuse help of any kind.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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I mean, no shit, when it costs $2000/month for a jail cell of a bedroom in the only handful of places that actually have jobs, and your workplace doesn't have an office yet they don't pay for the rent to create a proper home office that isn't your bedroom, AND you don't have much money left over for your medical bills that insurance doesn't pay, and you're expected to work evenings and weekends and put on-call so you can never actually go hiking or get exercise or get vitamin D, you get only a couple weeks of vacation that you have to spend on family so you have none left to travel, dating is another nightmare in this day and age, ...

(Most of this isn't me, but descriptions of many people around me)

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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> Young adults are struggling with their mental health. Is more childhood independence the answer? Prospects in life is the answer. The article goes over how independence in adolescence could help reduce people's anxieties, and closes with the following which sums up the article rather nicely > “When we are controlling a young adult’s experiences, and they go without that full range of emotional experience, we’re act…

I'm not sure you are really using "independence" in the same way as the article if you saying that you are not "independent" when you are not living with your parents and working 9-5? Maybe you are thinking more about financial independence but that's not really the issue the article is talking about, which is more abut children learning to be independent from their parents. It seems like the kind of independence bei…

I have updated the comment to better reflect my situation, during university I didn't explore or live like my peers because I didn't have a car nor any form of allowance to go out. I just stayed at the labs and studied. I didn't eat out, but I ate at home when we had something to eat.

I grew up with very few life skills and what the article described, I didn't have any reasonable socialisation until I became 17, when every decision I made was scrutinized, from where I was going to who I was meeting with and so on.

I didn't , nor could I for that matter, do anything like the article described simply because it was too expensive.

What I am trying to get to is that it's a lot easier to make decisions that lean towards independence if the cost of such decisions is actually very small, and with absence of financial safety, one can not simply act in such a manner because the calculus is far more complex.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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My generation (early GenX) may be the last one to grow up in an environment that didn't systematically screw young people at every possible turn.

We didn't have a constant presence of adults and had space to work out issues on our own.

We were able to travel for miles in most directions without being barraged by No Trespassing signs - each of them backed up by disproportionate penalties and an ever present risk of life-changing criminal records.

We didn't have to navigate today's massively complex world that is growing more complex at exponential rates.

In contrast, my sons grew up in a world that is senselessly unforgiving and penalistic, with few breaks from adults and little chance to explore life on their own terms.

We have sabotaged our rising generations and to drown out the consequences of that we noisily protect them from risks that largely exists in our own heads.

We couldn't scarcely have designed a worse outcome if we tried.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

#20
I was at the beach the other day, beautiful weather, perfect sunset, etc. The number of people staring at their phones was very high. The number of teenagers, especially girls, taking pictures and seemingly staging events was downright depressing. We will soon look back and realize that social media and phone addiction was worse for people’s health than smoking.
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