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No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by caeril »

foreverCarlos wrote: post #42
ffssffss wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it goes way back to the 80s and 90s when radio consolidated. You had guys like Limbaugh reading off lists of men who died of AIDS and laughing at them. Same grift, different generation.

Oh Limbaugh! He was popular before my time, and the more I learn about him the more I am puzzled by who would enjoy listening to something like what you describe.

Same reason people today listen to Maddow, Carlson, or Olbermann. Same reason people gossip about what that bitch Becky or that asshole Brent did the other day in your friend group.

A daily dose of bias confirmation and drama, no matter what the politics, no matter how devoid of truth the monologue is, soothes the soul of humans everywhere.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by cykros »

bigmattystyles wrote: post #7

I’m just happy I had no idea who this person was. Turning into my dad has been a blessing…

I literally only heard of him because Greta's burn was big enough to trend across my screen. He's apparently a big enough loser to make her look cool by comparison.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by foreverCarlos »

caeril wrote: post #81
foreverCarlos wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh Limbaugh! He was popular before my time, and the more I learn about him the more I am puzzled by who would enjoy listening to something like what you describe.

Same reason people today listen to Maddow, Carlson, or Olbermann. Same reason people gossip about what that bitch Becky or that asshole Brent did the other day in your friend group. A daily dose of bias confirmation and drama, no matter what the politics, no matter how devoid of truth the monologue is, soothes the soul of humans everywhere.

I might be wrong but I like to believe that there is a critical difference between gossiping about Becky and laughing at people dying from AIDS. Saying that… maybe I just don’t know - I don’t like either and in my head there is a clear distinction.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by caeril »

foreverCarlos wrote: post #83
caeril wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same reason people today listen to Maddow, Carlson, or Olbermann. Same reason people gossip about what that bitch Becky or that asshole Brent did the other day in your friend group. A daily dose of bias confirmation and drama, no matter what the politics, no matter how devoid of truth the monologue is, soothes the soul of humans everywhere.

I might be wrong but I like to believe that there is a critical difference between gossiping about Becky and laughing at people dying from AIDS. Saying that… maybe I just don’t know - I don’t like either and in my head there is a clear distinction.

I recall several left-leaning commentators celebrating the (unvaccinated, COVID) deaths of Phil Valentine and Marc Bernier. Is it on the same level as AIDS? No, but the broader point is that all ingroups have their cheerleaders, and those cheerleaders can get incomprehensively nasty.

It doesn't really matter time, nor place, nor politics. It's part of the human condition. My tribe is superior to your tribe, and if we have to piss on the graves of the other side to make ourselves feel good, By God, we'll do it.

edit: I just remembered the deaths of both Scalia and RGB. Right or left, both tribes celebrated, in PARTICULARLY DISGUSTING WAYS, the passing of SCOTUS justices of the opposing tribe. This is just what we, as humans, do.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by foreverCarlos »

caeril wrote: post #84
foreverCarlos wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might be wrong but I like to believe that there is a critical difference between gossiping about Becky and laughing at people dying from AIDS. Saying that… maybe I just don’t know - I don’t like either and in my head there is a clear distinction.

I recall several left-leaning commentators celebrating the (unvaccinated, COVID) deaths of Phil Valentine and Marc Bernier. Is it on the same level as AIDS? No, but the broader point is that all ingroups have their cheerleaders, and those cheerleaders can get incomprehensively nasty. It doesn't really matter time, nor place, nor politics. It's part of the human condition. My tribe is superior to your tribe, and if we…

Good point! I must admit I am not immune to that. While I wasn’t celebrating Covid deaths I certainly wasn’t mourning anyone who died because of what I considered was their own “fault” (Eg not following quarantine guidelines). Which is still quite un-empathetic.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by NikolaNovak »

david38 wrote: post #71
fmajid wrote: post #70

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I wish I could say the same. A few months ago, my daughter's girl school used his as the poster boy for misogyny in their anti-bullying training program, so I looked him up. Distinctly unpleasant person, and according to Wikipedia he claims to have converted to Islam, so now he is also tarring my religion by association. The problem is, trolls like him thrive off publicity, presumably ad impression revenue-sharing fr…

I find it telling that he is branded a troll or worse, yet the mirror image of his message, where women are propped up is spread far and wide. People should ask WHY he is so popular. People prefer to try to shut someone down and then are shocked, shocked I tell you when a huge number of people retaliate. See the Trump election as an example of demonizing a large percentage of people and trying to make it politically…

1. Mirror message of "propping women up" is empathically not "encouraging violence against women".

2. I think it's broadly understood why he and the like are popular. You artificially divide population into groups, then persuade one that the other group is somehow at fault for your ills. It's a phenomenally successful strategy - as much as it is abhorrent. It particularly prays on the various kinds of downtrodden, angry, frustrated, unlucky or poor,because it distracts with easy and oversimplified answers.

The hard part is not understanding why it's successful. The hard part is learning how to save humanity by fighting it, because that movement / strategy only leads to distraction and ignorance.

(This is not saying we shouldn't work hard to understand that strategy, on the contrary. I strongly feel you cannot fight something if you don't understand it.)

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by yucky »

d23 wrote: post #61
kfkfldklf wrote: post #24

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They can't be THAT new; punk culture got its start nearly SIXTY years ago, as an example of a subculture that was intentionally inspiration insulting

As far as I can tell, the difference is past counterculture was about punching up, not down.

This reads like you think women are below men though. I assume you don't mean that, but it's hard to think up an alternate explanation. Power dynamics maybe? I dunno, I could list thousands of women more powerful than a youtuber or whatever he is.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by watwut »

david38 wrote: post #71
fmajid wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could say the same. A few months ago, my daughter's girl school used his as the poster boy for misogyny in their anti-bullying training program, so I looked him up. Distinctly unpleasant person, and according to Wikipedia he claims to have converted to Islam, so now he is also tarring my religion by association. The problem is, trolls like him thrive off publicity, presumably ad impression revenue-sharing fr…

I find it telling that he is branded a troll or worse, yet the mirror image of his message, where women are propped up is spread far and wide. People should ask WHY he is so popular. People prefer to try to shut someone down and then are shocked, shocked I tell you when a huge number of people retaliate. See the Trump election as an example of demonizing a large percentage of people and trying to make it politically…

He is popular, because the "you are superior would dominate and entitled to beat others into submission" is emotionally pleasant message to hear.

He says what many young men want to believe and find pleasant to hear.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by NikolaNovak »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #86
david38 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it telling that he is branded a troll or worse, yet the mirror image of his message, where women are propped up is spread far and wide. People should ask WHY he is so popular. People prefer to try to shut someone down and then are shocked, shocked I tell you when a huge number of people retaliate. See the Trump election as an example of demonizing a large percentage of people and trying to make it politically…

1. Mirror message of "propping women up" is empathically not "encouraging violence against women". 2. I think it's broadly understood why he and the like are popular. You artificially divide population into groups, then persuade one that the other group is somehow at fault for your ills. It's a phenomenally successful strategy - as much as it is abhorrent. It particularly prays on the various kinds of downtrodden, an…

P. S.

Fwiw, I've oscillated significantly re trump election and voters over last 6 years and still do :

On one hand, it is important to show empathy, engage in conversation, focus on common points, and truly try to understand someone's circumstances, thoughts, reasons, and goals. We are all humans and we have needs and there's probably more that we have alike. Isolation and shunning and snooty patronizing are not productive. There are reasons 46mil people voted and would still vote for him and those reasons, to your point, should not be ignored or dismissed. Everybody should be heard, thoughts should not be silenced. I believe in marketplace of ideas and don't like censorship so I agree that we are trying too hard to supress discussion with offense and Twitter outrage.

On the other hand, at some point one has to hold adults accountable for their own opinions, decisions, actions and world frameworks; and someone voting for trump has framework completely different then mine and, I feel, completely counter productive and destructive (this is not a "conservative" framework. Trump is not a conservative. Trump is a narcissistic Bully which overrides any ideology).

I recognize that 46 million of people felt exactly the same ("he is the devil") about Obama. However, one telling difference is that they have to make up increasingly incredulous stuff about Obama eating babies with his Jewish owners etc to support their opinion, whereas I need only point to Trumps actual documented and proudly owned words and actions to support my disagreement.

Basically, 20 year old me wanted to change the world and engage with everybody and be profoundly philosophical. The 45 year old me with kids and job and mortgage has no patience to go through same tired self contradictory, self defeating internally inconsistent crap with people who think putting "fuck Biden" and "fuck Trudeau" signs on their car, house and faceboom are meaningful ways to engage in political discourse.

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