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No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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I’m just happy I had no idea who this person was. Turning into my dad has been a blessing…

I wish I could say the same. A few months ago, my daughter's girl school used his as the poster boy for misogyny in their anti-bullying training program, so I looked him up. Distinctly unpleasant person, and according to Wikipedia he claims to have converted to Islam, so now he is also tarring my religion by association. The problem is, trolls like him thrive off publicity, presumably ad impression revenue-sharing fr…

I find it telling that he is branded a troll or worse, yet the mirror image of his message, where women are propped up is spread far and wide.

People should ask WHY he is so popular. People prefer to try to shut someone down and then are shocked, shocked I tell you when a huge number of people retaliate. See the Trump election as an example of demonizing a large percentage of people and trying to make it politically incorrect to defend anyone who isn’t a minority.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Off-topic, but it feels like I'm the only person who thinks phrases like "small dick energy" are bad. When did it become acceptable to shame men for the size of their penis? Whenever I've mentioned it, people have defended its usage with arguments that didn't sound convincing to me. Why is it acceptable to say "small dick energy" in the age of body-shaming awareness?

Body-shaming awareness never ever existed in real life, especially in the mind of girls (and even less in teenager girls..)

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Oh Limbaugh! He was popular before my time, and the more I learn about him the more I am puzzled by who would enjoy listening to something like what you describe.

People with a darkness at the center of their being, I’m afraid.

I wouldn't say that my dad has darkness at the center of his being.

At a certain point there's a real lack of political power in the US-- specifically, I am thinking of Mark Fisher's understanding of Capitalist Realism.

In that system, it feels as if nothing material will ever change, and so all that is left is the aesthetic and apolitical hatred of other groups of people.

My dad was a substitute teacher who mostly took care of the kids and went to church on Sundays and played trombone with a bunch of Shriners. He was never politically plugged in, he just was raised in a house that operated very much like the setting of Leave it to Beaver.

So for him, watching cultural changes and being outraged over them were pretty much the only surface on which he felt connection to politics, as far as I can tell. From my standpoint, those cultural markers are pretty much the main differentiation between liberal Democrats and the GOP. They are both centrist capitalist parties that need to maintain US hegemony through foreign wars and who are both owned by the folks who own the business of the US.

It's a shit substitute for action, but for a lot of folks falling into the tribalism of that culture war is the only possibility they see for political action.

And while I find his political aesthetic to be both self-contradictory and profoundly alienating I have enough awareness to see how people who aren't evil in their intent can take up one side of culture war instead of the other.

And as someone who finds the anonymously penned "Desert" to be a plausible understanding of the current ecological/economical/political climate, I am not sure that short of a wholesale rejection of the politics of the spectacle there is a lot to be gained from these aesthetics... even if I know where I fall and who I support in that game and whose defeats I will happily cheer.

But like I said, I think that's more a product of a shitty situation rather than some evil spot in someones' soul.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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The HN guidelines say: " On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pict…

Thanks for these guidelines. I think the "intellectual curiosity" criteria hits the nail on the head of what I was looking for to describe what I like to see on HN. Agree this post is a gray area.

One could make the argument that it is on-topic because the drama is on twitter which is currently caught up in a whirlpool of techno-politics owing to the recent ownership change.

The link itself is a good write-up analysis. It is more in-depth than a soundbite.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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But what was the video containing the pizza boxes a response to?

I don't know if it was a response to anything. I only saw the small section where he asks for the pizza.

Ok, so there you go. The video response was to Greta, after his initial unwarranted 'attack' upon her.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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I flag everything that is pure drama, nothing substance. Like this post. Twitter stuff (for example everything Elon related which took over HN for months), everything that I saw on the reddit front page earlier which means it's already at the lowest of low quality and it has no place in mind on HN. In the end flag whatever you want and move on.

The Twitter posts are as relevant as posts could possibly be for a SV tech-oriented discussion forum.

I personally enjoy them and following the drama, but they do reduce to flamewar more often than not.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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They can't be THAT new; punk culture got its start nearly SIXTY years ago, as an example of a subculture that was intentionally inspiration insulting

As far as I can tell, the difference is past counterculture was about punching up, not down.

Yeah punk is fighting for liberation, Tate and his acolytes are fighting for the ability to oppress, abuse, and (if the allegations are true) literally enslave people.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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As far as I can tell, the difference is past counterculture was about punching up, not down.

Yeah punk is fighting for liberation, Tate and his acolytes are fighting for the ability to oppress, abuse, and (if the allegations are true) literally enslave people.

That sounds like the right distinction. I wonder if in someone else’s eyes Tate is fighting for men’s liberation from the oppressive (in their view) constraints that the society forced on them?..

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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I wish I could say the same. A few months ago, my daughter's girl school used his as the poster boy for misogyny in their anti-bullying training program, so I looked him up. Distinctly unpleasant person, and according to Wikipedia he claims to have converted to Islam, so now he is also tarring my religion by association. The problem is, trolls like him thrive off publicity, presumably ad impression revenue-sharing fr…

I find it telling that he is branded a troll or worse, yet the mirror image of his message, where women are propped up is spread far and wide. People should ask WHY he is so popular. People prefer to try to shut someone down and then are shocked, shocked I tell you when a huge number of people retaliate. See the Trump election as an example of demonizing a large percentage of people and trying to make it politically…

He is popular because he is a populist like Trump. He offers simple solutions to complex problems. Solutions that don’t work but empower people unwilling or incapable of committing to more complex solutions.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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People with a darkness at the center of their being, I’m afraid.

I wouldn't say that my dad has darkness at the center of his being. At a certain point there's a real lack of political power in the US-- specifically, I am thinking of Mark Fisher's understanding of Capitalist Realism. In that system, it feels as if nothing material will ever change, and so all that is left is the aesthetic and apolitical hatred of other groups of people. My dad was a substitute teacher who mostly t…

I don’t know enough about your situation so not talking about your dad specifically… but there must be something else involved here than just culture war and political powerlessness. Eg going to church and laughing at people who die from AIDS are not easily compatible (or at least _should not_ be easily compatible) parts of one’s life.
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