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No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by foreverCarlos »

kfkfldklf wrote: post #24
foreverCarlos wrote: post #6

Are these contrarian/scandalous/unapologetically insulting figures a new phenomenon or have they always been a part of pop culture? Seems like Tate-like or Yiannopoulos-like personas are attracting a lot of media coverage.

They can't be THAT new; punk culture got its start nearly SIXTY years ago, as an example of a subculture that was intentionally inspiration insulting

I guess you are right! I just personally can relate much more to punk culture than to Tate. But the focus on the insult is probably very similar.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by foreverCarlos »

nxm wrote: post #15
foreverCarlos wrote: post #6

Are these contrarian/scandalous/unapologetically insulting figures a new phenomenon or have they always been a part of pop culture? Seems like Tate-like or Yiannopoulos-like personas are attracting a lot of media coverage.

Have you listened to Tate in a more than 15 sec clip? I don’t agree with everything he says but he does speak the otherwise unspoken truth on many topics. His attention is justified.

I have not. I prefer finding these unspoken trusts in other sources, personas like Tate are too mind-polluting for me.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by adrianmonk »

konha wrote: post #13

> Thunberg is not known for her sense of humor What? Guess you haven’t seen her responses to Donald Trumps attacks on her then.

Yeah, I didn't get that either. The article says she's not known for her sense of humor, then links to a tweet of hers that (I thought) was pretty funny.

Maybe the author meant to say she's not known to laugh things off but rather tends to go in for the kill (maybe using humor in the process).

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by cocacola1 »

foreverCarlos wrote: post #38
cocacola1 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historically, I think they've been called provocateurs – colloquially known as assholes. They've always attracted media coverage, but now every site & app has the power to deliver media coverage to you, so you see a lot more about them.

Right, that’s the word I was looking for! However, my, perhaps incomplete, recollection of famous provocateurs of the past was centered around acts like Salvador Dali walking around with his anteater, rather than a misogynist kickboxer ranting about “weak men”.

I think that's just a part of society changing. What used to be weird or outrageous might be considered tame now. I'd probably raise an eyebrow at someone walking their anteaters, but I'd probably shrug it off after a second and continue on my way.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by dragonwriter »

stavros wrote: post #10

Off-topic, but it feels like I'm the only person who thinks phrases like "small dick energy" are bad. When did it become acceptable to shame men for the size of their penis? Whenever I've mentioned it, people have defended its usage with arguments that didn't sound convincing to me. Why is it acceptable to say "small dick energy" in the age of body-shaming awareness?

> Off-topic, but it feels like I'm the only person who thinks phrases like "small dick energy" are bad.

You aren't, there’s been considerable discourse on Twitter, on both this and “big dick energy”, most recently in response to the Thunberg tweet involved in this incident.

> When did it become acceptable to shame men for the size of their penis?

Its not new to do that, at all, but “small dick energy” doesn't do that, just as “big dick energy” doesn't praise for the opposite but instead references a different trait stereotypically associated with it (which “small dick energy” plays on by referencing a corresponding and opposing stereotype. (Which may be problematic on its own, but is different from shaming the target for their penis size.)

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by [deleted] »

rjzzleep wrote: post #26

I was trying to skim this article, but it's a very hard read. I don't know who he is, but Wikipedia say it's an American-Brit. Is there any reason to assume that he didn't just fly there? In which case of course they knew he was there. He used his passport to get in after all. Also what's the cost of a police patrol checking out a house? I've seen people get harassed at home for not paying a 20 Euro ticket in Germany…

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Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by adrianmonk »

rjzzleep wrote: post #26

I was trying to skim this article, but it's a very hard read. I don't know who he is, but Wikipedia say it's an American-Brit. Is there any reason to assume that he didn't just fly there? In which case of course they knew he was there. He used his passport to get in after all. Also what's the cost of a police patrol checking out a house? I've seen people get harassed at home for not paying a 20 Euro ticket in Germany…

> I was trying to skim this article, but it's a very hard read.

There has been a LOT of noise about this story recently on the internet.

This blog post is about the rather narrow issue of how the American media mishandled a specific detail of the story, relating to whether he did a self-own by posting a pizza box on Twitter so authorities could see it.

> Is there any reason to assume that he didn't just fly there? In which case of course they knew he was there.

Yes, this blog post mentions that. It basically says that the pizza box self-own doesn't pass the smell test because Romanian authorities have lots of other ways to know the guy was in the country. (And because the original Romanian news article doesn't even mention it, so the pizza box self-own is apparently based entirely on speculation.)

> How is this even a story? Completely absurd.

The story as a whole is a story because it went viral and this guy is hated by many.

The blog post is a story because it's a journalist commenting on bad journalism and how journalists participate in spreading unsubstantiated nonsense.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by d23 »

haunter wrote: post #41
agolio wrote: post #33

So I am tempted to flag this submission because I don't really think HN is the place but I want to make sure I am using the flag feature correctly. Can any more experienced HN user weigh in? Is flagging for articles you don't want to see on HN or is it more reserved for spam/ inaccuracies?

I flag everything that is pure drama, nothing substance. Like this post. Twitter stuff (for example everything Elon related which took over HN for months), everything that I saw on the reddit front page earlier which means it's already at the lowest of low quality and it has no place in mind on HN. In the end flag whatever you want and move on.

The Twitter posts are as relevant as posts could possibly be for a SV tech-oriented discussion forum.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by d23 »

foreverCarlos wrote: post #42
ffssffss wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it goes way back to the 80s and 90s when radio consolidated. You had guys like Limbaugh reading off lists of men who died of AIDS and laughing at them. Same grift, different generation.

Oh Limbaugh! He was popular before my time, and the more I learn about him the more I am puzzled by who would enjoy listening to something like what you describe.

People with a darkness at the center of their being, I’m afraid.

Re: No, Romanian Cops Did Not Find Andrew Tate Because of a Pizza Box

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Post by stavros »

dragonwriter wrote: post #55
stavros wrote: post #10

Off-topic, but it feels like I'm the only person who thinks phrases like "small dick energy" are bad. When did it become acceptable to shame men for the size of their penis? Whenever I've mentioned it, people have defended its usage with arguments that didn't sound convincing to me. Why is it acceptable to say "small dick energy" in the age of body-shaming awareness?

> Off-topic, but it feels like I'm the only person who thinks phrases like "small dick energy" are bad. You aren't, there’s been considerable discourse on Twitter, on both this and “big dick energy”, most recently in response to the Thunberg tweet involved in this incident. > When did it become acceptable to shame men for the size of their penis? Its not new to do that, at all, but “small dick energy” doesn't do that…

My issue is not that it shames the target, it's that it implies that "small dick = bad" and "big dick = good", and perpetuates the idea that men with small penises are inferior. It would be the same if the phrase were "short person energy", we don't need people feeling bad about their height.
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