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Re: Saudi Arabian Hackers Leak Credit Card Details of 400,000 Israeli Citizens

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Post by hackly »

berntb wrote: post #57
hackly wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironic how despite all this, the american government finds it fit to support this repressive regime, while demonizing countries like Syria where citizens (or at least women) enjoy greater freedoms. One could say it all depends on your stance vis-a-vis Israel. The fact of the matter is that, countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Yemen, old Egypt, North Korea etc. have normalized or at least neutral relations with Israe…

>>demonizing countries like Syria How can you "demonize" that type of brutal regimes? What more can you say about them? That Assad eats children? >>One could say it all depends on your stance vis-a-vis Israel. >>the ruling Saudis will be quick to repress it and assure Israel none of this will happen again Sigh, so Saudi Arabia is pro Israel? :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Arab_world#... This is…

>> How can you "demonize" that type of brutal regimes? What more can you say about them? That Assad eats children?

I was referring to the _relative_ treatment. I thought this was clearly implied. Syria's regime is definitely not above blame. But neither is Saudi Arabia and it deserves an equal share of 'demonization' by the government and the media.

>> Sigh, so Saudi Arabia is pro Israel? :-)

You musn't mistake public policy that carries no weight with actual behavior. Egypt under Mubarak was trumpeted as anti-Israel, but was clearly colluding with them in Gaza affairs. Saudi Arabia is unique in that there is a strong powerful extremist movement that needs to be placated by the ruling family. This makes for more empty talk that confuses many.

>> North Korea sells/sold nuclear tech to Syria/Iran; are you really claiming they have "neutral" relations with Israel?

They too have had their share of trouble as we all know, but I may be wrong on this one.

>> please don't write this kind of thing on HN

What kind of thing? When you see remarks like those of noduerme being upvoted, it's important that people understand that our governments are just as responsible for sustaining the abuses going on in the MidEast so that they don't misdirect their hate towards muslims/arabs.

Re: Saudi Arabian Hackers Leak Credit Card Details of 400,000 Israeli Citizens

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Post by berntb »

hackly wrote: post #61
berntb wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>demonizing countries like Syria How can you "demonize" that type of brutal regimes? What more can you say about them? That Assad eats children? >>One could say it all depends on your stance vis-a-vis Israel. >>the ruling Saudis will be quick to repress it and assure Israel none of this will happen again Sigh, so Saudi Arabia is pro Israel? :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Arab_world#... This is…

>> How can you "demonize" that type of brutal regimes? What more can you say about them? That Assad eats children? I was referring to the _relative_ treatment. I thought this was clearly implied. Syria's regime is definitely not above blame. But neither is Saudi Arabia and it deserves an equal share of 'demonization' by the government and the media. >> Sigh, so Saudi Arabia is pro Israel? :-) You musn't mistake publi…

>>I was referring to the _relative_ treatment.

And I discussed Syria/SA re "realpolitik". You didn't answer.

>>it's important that people understand that our governments are just as responsible for sustaining the abuses going on in the MidEast so that they don't misdirect their hate towards muslims/arabs.

So I should have opinions, because that would have good influences in the world...

Respect, troll -- you know how to push my buttons! (Yeah yeah, it is your honest opinion...)

(Why would anyone hate a bunch of countries that haven't modernized yet? Compare Middle East treatment of women, homosexuals, jews etc etc to many western countries 150 years ago.)

The US is obviously responsible for all the human rights violations happening in the Mid East the last 30 years? (Hell, even the Bush administrations tried to influence for human rights and Obama seems to even play cards with islamists to get rid of dicators!)

Enough, good night.

Re: Saudi Arabian Hackers Leak Credit Card Details of 400,000 Israeli Citizens

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Post by ThaddeusQuay2 »

rbanffy wrote: post #58
berntb wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>demonizing countries like Syria How can you "demonize" that type of brutal regimes? What more can you say about them? That Assad eats children? >>One could say it all depends on your stance vis-a-vis Israel. >>the ruling Saudis will be quick to repress it and assure Israel none of this will happen again Sigh, so Saudi Arabia is pro Israel? :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Arab_world#... This is…

I would say this whole thread took a wrong turn with noduerme's deeply rude, ignorant, arrogant an plain racist post. We would all have gained something had it never existed.

"We would all have gained something had it never existed."

Fuck off, Mr. Wannabe Censor. Progress requires unfettered conversation of all types, not just the ones of which you approve.

"... noduerme's deeply rude, ignorant, arrogant an[d] plain racist post."

It was none of those things. What he said is basically correct, and it reminded me of 2005's Syriana, in which there was a conversation between Matt Damon as Bryan Woodman, an energy analyst, and Alexander Siddig as Prince Nasir Al-Subaai, successor to the Emir.

NASIR: An ancestor of mine owned this bird's [falcon's] ancestor before Christ was born. Six more North Field blocks will be available for development. We would like to offer your firm the right to represent them.

WOODMAN: If I were your economic advisor I'd tell you it's not the dumbest thing you've ever done, but it'll probably be the dumbest thing you do today. Probably. But why would you need an economic advisor? Twenty years ago you had the highest GNP in the world and now you're tied with Paraguay. Your second biggest export is second-hand goods. Followed by dates on which you lose five cents a pound. You want to know what the business world thinks of you. They think a hundred years ago you were chopping each other's heads off in the desert and that's exactly where you'll be in another hundred. So, yes, on behalf of my firm, I accept your money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriana

I included the first sentence, about the falcon, because it shows that Nasir is proud of his people having been around for a long time, but that apparent plus is effectively countered by Woodman's observation about their primitive nature, and how the oil money is really the only thing keeping them from regressing. Sure, the film is fictional, but there is a lot of truth to be found in it.

Re: Saudi Arabian Hackers Leak Credit Card Details of 400,000 Israeli Citizens

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Post by eliben »

usaar333 wrote: post #45

When I went to Israel a few years back I could not believe my eyes when I noticed that my entire CC number was printed on every receipt. I don't imagine online CC security being much better..

That was mostly fixed, AFAIK. Now only the last 4 digits are printed on receipts.

Re: Saudi Arabian Hackers Leak Credit Card Details of 400,000 Israeli Citizens

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Post by samstave »

jonhendry wrote: post #49
samstave wrote: post #2

Faction warfare. EDIT: I got downvoted, without a reply. So, explain how doing this sort of thing is not faction warfare? The details of israeli credit is leaked by anons from the house of Saud. This is clearly a faction issue. It is not likely government sponsored (though likely condoned) and as a religious rift exists between jews and muslims, the word faction applies perfectly. Jews, muslims, christians; all facti…

I think the term is 'sectarian'.

A sectarian word for factions.

Tomato Potato

--- Sectarian:

of, relating to, or characteristic of a sect or sectarian

limited in character or scope

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Faction

a party or group (as within a government) that is often contentious or self-seeking : clique

party spirit especially when marked by dissension

---

You would be a fool to claim that sectarian skirmishes are not also political, given the widespread theocratic nature of governments under both muslim and jewish rule.

In this case - this is an attack, while premised on the appearance of religion, is actually a theocratic/political-religious attack.

Re: Saudi Arabian Hackers Leak Credit Card Details of 400,000 Israeli Citizens

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Post by berntb »

ThaddeusQuay2 wrote: post #63
rbanffy wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say this whole thread took a wrong turn with noduerme's deeply rude, ignorant, arrogant an plain racist post. We would all have gained something had it never existed.

"We would all have gained something had it never existed." Fuck off, Mr. Wannabe Censor. Progress requires unfettered conversation of all types, not just the ones of which you approve. "... noduerme's deeply rude, ignorant, arrogant an[d] plain racist post." It was none of those things. What he said is basically correct, and it reminded me of 2005's Syriana, in which there was a conversation between Matt Damon as Bry…

Read up on the resource curse on Wikipedia, it is probably the other way -- too much natural resources stop development. (Except for Norway, which still have problems despite their oil fond.)

Re: Saudi Arabian Hackers Leak Credit Card Details of 400,000 Israeli Citizens

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Post by 3pt14159 »

asjd wrote: post #40

This is the IP of the hacker: 188.75.86.66 (It's possible this is a bounce server, but geo locating it suggests against this.) I know because I was involved in cleaning up one of the hacks. (I have to stay anonymous, but my main account has more than 7000 karma.) In the one I dealt with they did not copy stored cards (because they couldn't), but rather added extra code that would email a copy of the details to the ha…

Right now, right this second edit this post. Get right of the karma count and remove the rest of what you posted besides the IP of the hacker. Word frequency analysis + knowledge of your karma count will easily identify you.

Re: Saudi Arabian Hackers Leak Credit Card Details of 400,000 Israeli Citizens

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Post by MichaelSalib »

teyc wrote: post #22

Don't VISA et al require some kind of PCI compliance for storing credit card details?

Believe it or not, there are entire industries that get a sweetheart deal on PCI compliance where companies can be certified compliant without actually complying with the rules. Think airlines and ancient mainframes that can't handle real disk or network encryption.

Re: Saudi Arabian Hackers Leak Credit Card Details of 400,000 Israeli Citizens

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Post by teyc »

rdtsc wrote: post #56
teyc wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. Odd that VISA would let the third party auditors get away with it, until they don't... which I'd hope so in this case. Related: http://serverfault.com/questions/293217/our-security-auditor...

It is mostly to cover their behinds not really to protect your data. When it comes to litigation they basically want to point to a piece of paper with your signature on it and say "see they agreed to be compliant" it is not our fault, we did all we could.

I saw an Australian company offering tokenising solutions for credit card transactions. Glancing briefly, they talked about replacing credit card number with "tokens" that can be stored on the customer's premises, while the actual card numbers are securely stored on theirs. To me it seems to be a sensible approach to reducing the attack surface or auditable surface. Is this what Stripe does?

Re: Saudi Arabian Hackers Leak Credit Card Details of 400,000 Israeli Citizens

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Post by sneak »

pdeuchler wrote: post #46
runn1ng wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh. I like how Anonymous keep on repeating how are they "decentralized" and the only thing really needed to join is to call yourself Anonymous - and at the same time keep on telling trough semi-official twitter accounts, how this Wahhabi attack or that Stratfor attack was not official Anonymous and blah blah blah. Hypocrisy on hypocrisy.

I would argue that the purpose of allowing anyone to call themselves "Anonymous" places the group's identity on their actions, not who they say they are. It's kind of the whole point of calling themselves "Anonymous" and leads right into the "we are legion" bit. There is no individual, only the movement. However, by performing actions that are contrary to the Anonymous ideology the Saudi attackers distanced themselve…

Anonymous is an adjective, not a noun. It's not a group.
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