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A search engine for searching books in the Z-Library index on the IPFS network

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Re: A search engine for searching books in the Z-Library index on the IPFS network

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A question about z-lib, libgen, and regular libraries Suppose I check an e-book out of my local library. Because Reasons, the library doesn't "own" unlimited "copies" of the book, so each "copy" can only be checked out to one patron at a time and if there are enough holds then a patron can't renew a checked out book. In short, ebooks in libraries are just like regular paper books, except to you don't have leave your…

> Is that a crime?

In many countries it is at least a copyright violation, although it should be noted that downloading (not sharing while torrenting) is legal in some places.

> Have either the author or publisher lost money?

On average, probably yes, because some people would buy the book, some libraries would get more budget or allocate more of the budget to that book, and most importantly, if you did re-borrow it in 3 months it'd further expand the waitlist, perhaps making someone go "screw that, I'm not waiting 4 months" and buy it.

OTOH, if you took all the money being spent on entertainment (books movies etc.), collected that as a tax, distributed it to the entertainment industry based on what people actually consume, and in exchange made everything available to everyone, there would be no loss of revenue and everyone would benefit from much higher, friction-free levels of access.

That's part of what made Netflix work. It extracted ~$120/year of revenue and gave access to everything. Now, with all the competing services, they probably still don't extract more than one service's yearly fee over the same population (because few people have more than 1-2 services, and the ones that just gave up and went back to piracy probably make up for the ones that now pay for 2 instead of 1 service) but people now have much less access.

Without a massive "media tax" which would have practical issues that don't make it feasible or desirable, some friction on free access is necessary or nobody would pay for content, and at the same time that friction harms society by limiting access. Piracy puts an upper bound on how much friction can be added before people go the yarrr way.

Re: A search engine for searching books in the Z-Library index on the IPFS network

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I am opposed to copyright in its current form, but this is a very naïve suggestion. How exactly do you distribute the fee among authors? Who collects it? How does dispute resolution work, if I don't feel like I'm being compensated fairly? Can I opt out if I don't read books? What if everyone opts out and just continues pirating? Let's say I just published one hundred books of semi-AI generated bad fiction. When can I…

Have a look at Europe, where we have such money-redistribution organisations.

Yes, legislatively-sanctioned rent seeking is common in Europe. In what way has the existence of such a scheme ameliorated the excesses of copyright law in Europe? Copyright terms are the same in Europe as in the United States (life + 70), but Europe tends to have weaker fair use provisions than the US (e.g. 'fair dealing' in the UK and Ireland). In what way have these schemes ended piracy, as the original commenter suggests they would?

Re: A search engine for searching books in the Z-Library index on the IPFS network

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Seeing that the US managed to extradite a British citizen from his own country for hosting links, I would definitely say so. The right way is to do this is to host this on tor or similar and only advertise it on the internet behind a good vpn. It's ridiculous that this is what people need to do to help others, but that's what ridiculous laws and circus courts get you.

Which case are you referring to?

> Britain has authorised the extradition to the United States of a student who created a website allowing people to watch films and television shows for free, the interior ministry said on Tuesday.

> ..[The 23-year-old student] allegedly earned tens of thousands of pounds (dollars) through advertising on the TVShack website before it was closed down by US authorities.

> The student would be the first British citizen extradited for such an offence. He faces jail if found guilty of the charges, which were brought after a crackdown by the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency.

> His lawyer had argued in court that the website did not store copyright material itself and merely directed users to other sites, making it similar to Google.

> The lawyer also argued that his client was being used as a "guinea pig" for copyright law in the United States.

https://phys.org/news/2012-03-britain-student-extradition-we...

Re: A search engine for searching books in the Z-Library index on the IPFS network

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A question about z-lib, libgen, and regular libraries Suppose I check an e-book out of my local library. Because Reasons, the library doesn't "own" unlimited "copies" of the book, so each "copy" can only be checked out to one patron at a time and if there are enough holds then a patron can't renew a checked out book. In short, ebooks in libraries are just like regular paper books, except to you don't have leave your…

Not an answer to your question, but interesting context for how eBooks work with libraries. And how not checking out a second time effectively is a loss of one “use” that may have directed the library to spend more on this book, rather than another. Sounds like you’re aware. Loved this Planet Money podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/planet-money/id2907834...

That link isn‘t working for me. Are you referring to this episode?

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/09/1135639385/libraries-publishe...

Re: A search engine for searching books in the Z-Library index on the IPFS network

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Well, nice work. But poor authors...

There is no evidence that piracy hurts authors. It might hurt publishers (although finding evidence of that has been hard too).

And you are absolutely sure that there is no causal relationship between publishers getting paid and authors getting paid?

Yes, the status quo is ridiculous, with libraries having to limit "copies" of ebooks and even simulating wear and tear of these on one side, and having to deal with DRM buying books on the other.

But according to at least one author that I‘d trust in the matter, publishers also provide valuable services to them, such as taking the financial risk of the first print run (including editing, marketing etc.) and paying authors upfront for it.

That said, I really hope that we‘ll see an "iTunes store for ebooks" (open format, no DRM) sooner rather than later.

Re: A search engine for searching books in the Z-Library index on the IPFS network

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The obvious response is that you stole the author's income, by obtaining a copy of their work without compensating them for it. So the obvious retort is that you may not have bothered to purchase the author's work, forgoing your opportunity to read it, thus the author did not lose their sale. The conversation will then turn to defending the existence of copyright as an incentivization to produce valuable works worth…

> The obvious response is that you stole the author's income, by obtaining a copy of their work without compensating them for it. Given that I (as an European) pay extra fees for copyright management companies for each photography-enabled device, each memory device, each scanner and each printer, I should be enabled to make as many copies of any copyright-protected work as I want. Which is incidentally how it works o…

These fees are an even worse solution than the current maze of DRMs and walled gardens.

Maybe they were an acceptable compromise in a time before e-books and e-readers, but they are neither fair to users, nor do they seem high enough to fairly compensate content creators without their normal revenue channels.

If the intention behind it is a kind of public subsidy for content creation: Sure, there are much worse things to spend tax money on.

But please do it properly then, i.e. something like a "public Spotify/Netflix" for books and films that correctly attributes view counts, rather than just handing money almost exclusively to already popular/financially stable creators as measured by past sales records.

Re: A search engine for searching books in the Z-Library index on the IPFS network

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I certainly wouldn't disparage the talent- no doubt vast majority have good intentions but unfortunately they are being paid handsomely to have their work be rendered ineffective. Gobble up all the best P2P devs and get them focused on work that is largely ineffective. Lots of code and specs but nothing really usable. Code is not very original, they just take other libraries and tweak them. mplex is their version of…

I’m not saying conspiracy doesn’t exist — it most certainly does — but it just seems unlikely in most cases. In this case, to be blunt, give a bunch of nerds millions / billions of dollars and see how fast their objectives change. Going from being students to having material wealth unimaginable to most suddenly gets you invited to a lot of conferences / parties / inner circles. You’re doing a lot less engineering and…

you two are discussing semantics :)

you both are correct on all assumptions. and are now discussing how corruption with money within the existing system is both undetectable/deniable and effective.

ipfs is now, for all purposes, a honeypot against dweb. or at least a way for opposition (dweb proponents) to waste valuable time. as your experiences proved.

Re: A search engine for searching books in the Z-Library index on the IPFS network

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”You do not have access to zlib.zu1k.com. The site owner may have set restrictions that prevent you from accessing the site.” What did I do?

Nothing wrong only the site owner block it temporarily surely with the large number of requests since sharing otherwise I shared in a previous comment another site to access the tool:

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34184167

Re: A search engine for searching books in the Z-Library index on the IPFS network

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Could you elaborate on why it can't scale if it's stateful?

That should probably read "doesn't scale without centralization". The full answer to that question is way, way, way beyond the appropriate length for an HN comment. DHTs need to accept requests from any random IP address, anywhere on the Internet. If you allocate state, you have to deal with resource exhaustion attacks. Dealing with them turns out to be way harder than anybody thinks when they first start down this p…

You can restrict DHTs to accept well-formed requests and further restrict them using a web of trust. With a large enough network and an on onboarding path using nodes that have higher bandwidth, it can work to mitigate that vector I’d think.

It would be really hard to launch that attack with a DHT that implements appropriate pruning, drop, and block rules for bad behavior. All that can feed into a personal (& autonomous) web of trust. Any references for me to read more about this?

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