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Poll: What's the best laptop for Linux these days?

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Re: Poll: What's the best laptop for Linux these days?

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post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thinkpads were absolutely impacted by some of them Lenovo's SHAREit software was preloaded on ThinkPad and IdeaPad notebooks. That was one of the hardcoded password issues I mentioned (along with other problems) for more info see: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=2016-1489 https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=2016-1492 https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=2016-1491 The fingerprint sc…

My ThinkPad T61p suffered a different problem: It was bricked 1 month out of warranty due to the GPU, which was recalled by Nvidia but Lenovo refused to honor the recall. Instead they wanted to sell me an $800 replacement board with the same faulty GPU. There was a long thread on their support forums with hundreds of people complaining about the same thing. It has since disappeared. I've never given Lenovo another do…

> It was bricked 1 month out of warranty due to the GPU, which was recalled by Nvidia but Lenovo refused to honor the recall.

Did they actually issue a recall on those chips? Someone should update the wiki which still says: ...neither nVidia nor Lenovo ever admitted publicly that the chips were defective. The issue was handled as one of quality control with no "official" revisions issued, and no recalls. (https://thinkpads.com/t61/)

Re: Poll: What's the best laptop for Linux these days?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’ve been on MacOS The OP asked about a laptop to run Linux, and you suggest running MacOS? Or did you forget mentioning the part about running Linux on it?! I respect you, but weird post tbh.

I was confused since the post mentions they’re “unlikely to escape MacOS,” and there’s also a poll option for M1. I thought the poll was asking whether it’s worth it to just skip Linux altogether and jump ship to an M1. Sorry. Definitely didn’t mean to go on a tangent about MacOS when nobody was asking. I didn’t know an M1 could even run Linux. Does anyone use it that way? I’d be curious to know if it works well. EDI…

7 hours later, the M1 is pretty high up in the poll.

System 76 Oryx Pro; 29 points

Framework; 111 points

Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition; 44 points

2019 Intel MacBook Pro; 4 points

M1 MacBook Pro; 54 points

ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 10; 119 points

Star Labs Starfighter; 7 points

HP Dev One; 7 points

Lenovo T14 Lenovo T480/490; 27 points

If anyone has theories about why the M1 is polling so well, I’d be curious to hear. It seems unlikely that the M1 is a popular choice for Linux, yet that’s what the polls seem to indicate.

Re: Poll: What's the best laptop for Linux these days?

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post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My ThinkPad T61p suffered a different problem: It was bricked 1 month out of warranty due to the GPU, which was recalled by Nvidia but Lenovo refused to honor the recall. Instead they wanted to sell me an $800 replacement board with the same faulty GPU. There was a long thread on their support forums with hundreds of people complaining about the same thing. It has since disappeared. I've never given Lenovo another do…

> It was bricked 1 month out of warranty due to the GPU, which was recalled by Nvidia but Lenovo refused to honor the recall. Did they actually issue a recall on those chips? Someone should update the wiki which still says: ...neither nVidia nor Lenovo ever admitted publicly that the chips were defective. The issue was handled as one of quality control with no "official" revisions issued, and no recalls. ( https://th…

Hmm, I'm going by memory but I distinctly remember reading they were recalled and that Dell among others were issuing replacements for their systems with the faulty chips. Perhaps it's true that it wasn't officially recalled.

Also your link mentions Lenovo did briefly offer repairs in 2010-2011, so I guess I could have taken part, but that was about 2 years after I ejected the company from my world.

Re: Poll: What's the best laptop for Linux these days?

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HP Elitebook 865 G9. Top notch Ryzen chip, up to 64GB RAM (non soldered), IPS screen, LTE WWAN modem, 75whr battery, very user serviceable, and USB 4 (charging + display). ~$1400 USD https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-elitebook-865-g9-notebo...

My main driver is a HP Elitebook 845 G9 (so the 14" version) running Arch. I have been using it for the past six months to do mostly backend development in Python.

Pros:

- Performance is really good, I haven't run benchmarks but day to day I see no difference with my beefy Zen 3 desktop. It completely replaced my desktop computer, except for games.

- Almost everything works out of the box on Linux. I think the fingerprint reader does not work, but I wasn't going to use it anyway.

- Issues tend to be fixed via either kernel updates or BIOS updates. I used to have to reboot it daily at the beginning for one reason or another (did not wake from sleep, wifi card stopped working...), now I rarely get any problem.

- Easy to open and every component is user serviceable. They have official disassembly guides on Youtube and sell spare parts.

- Suspend works reliably (which is not a given these days, even on Windows).

- Key travel is short but the tactile feedback is strong enough that I don't feel like I'm missing too much on this front.

- The 16:10 aspect ratio of the display is a game changer. My SO has the G8 with a 16:9 ratio and the difference is night and day.

- Enough connectors to not have to carry dongles.

Cons:

- The GPU still crashes from time to time, roughly once a week. This requires a reboot.

- The only version available in my region has a 38Wh battery which gives only ~6 hours of life. I will be swapping the battery for a bigger one at some point.

- The non-LPDDR5 means that the battery life when sleeping is not amazing, it tends to lose ~10% overnight.

- Power consumption is good but not on par with the best laptops at ~5W idle.

- I chose the matte low-power display, color is good, viewing angles are good but the ghosting is atrocious. It's the first time I get a device where ghosting is distracting.

- The NVME drive the laptop shipped with died on me after a few hours of use. I swapped it with another drive I had available, no problem since.

- Firmware updates are only officially available for Windows but the Windows binary can be used on Linux with a bit of command-line-fu.

- The trackpad is large and good but the push to click only works on the bottom half as opposed to a typical Macbook where the whole surface can be pressed down.

- USB-C ports for charging only on the left side.

- Arrow keys are half-height, I hit page up/page down all the time while trying to press arrow keys. Super annoying when using the command line.

Re: Poll: What's the best laptop for Linux these days?

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Nobody has tried the Lenovo Z13? I have one and it's way better than the ThinkPad I had before. It does get warm, and you can't play games on it, but it feels more premium and has a stronger CPU.

I have it and it's definitely a powerful and solid laptop with a great screen.

But out-of-the-box linux support was not great at all. I am usually a debian user, but since it shipped with Ubuntu I thought I'd give it a try (there were other distro choices when ordering the laptop, but Ubuntu was the only debian-based one).

The laptop came a couple of months ago with Ubuntu 20.04. I upgraded to Ubuntu 22.04, which was tricky enough as the system updater would tell me that I had incompatible packages installed (I had not added anything); it took a long while but I finally managed to unblock it.

After the upgrade, the laptop started getting completely unusable after suspend - a deadlock in the ath11k kernel module. Upgrading to 22.10 did not help, so for two months I just disabled suspend altogether, turning the computer off any time I had to close it. Fortunately last week a new kernel came in the proposed-updates channel which backports the fix for the deadlock, so now that works.

I still have some occasional kernel deadlock, and I have yet to figure out why, but it is kind of bearable right now.

The speaker volume is really, really low, though I am not sure if this is a problem with the linux drivers, or it is just a hardware limitation.

I am completely confident that all the remaining annoyances will get solved in a couple of months; probably they would be already if I had wiped the laptop clean as it arrived and installed debian unstable as I usually do. I am satisfied with my purchase as it ticks all the boxes I had (particularly the combination of size, screen, cpu and memory was not matched by almost anything else). But to be a premium (in quality and price) laptop that ships with an "officially supported" linux distribution, it sure had way more issues than I expected.

Re: Poll: What's the best laptop for Linux these days?

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I see very disparate use cases for these laptops, so the competition is not really that fair.

- Fastest CPU + GPU + battery life, x64 not needed, money no object: M1 MBP.

- Reliable, serviceable, upgradeable, fashion-despising: T14 / T480 / T490.

- Serviceable, upgradable, but sort of new kids on the block, and less fashion-oblivious: Star Labs Starfighter, Framework, System 76 Oryx Pro.

- Sleek-looking at the expense of everything soldered and glued down: Thinkpad X1, MBP 2019.

- Open-source loving, more things under user's control: System 76 Oryx Pro, Star Labs Starfighter, partly Framework.

Star Labs Starfighter looks incredible BTW, thanks to bringing it to my attention. I sorely miss a trackpoint though.

No idea about others. I'd like to like HP Dev One, but I don't trust HP to make reliable things any more :(

I wonder why no model from the Dell Latitude line made it here; I thought some of them have good Linux support.

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