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What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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I wish that when they included this line: "Modern Mayan mothers, for example, expressed shock when they heard that in the US, babies were put to sleep in a separate room." That they followed it up with why Mayan mothers prefer to sleep with the baby. Is it just a default cultural expectation or do they have their own reason for it?

As mentioned multiple times in the article. Most of the world co-sleeps with their kids. Sleep training is only a norm in US and some other western countries.

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are supposed to be attached to you. It is very much possible to co-sleep and then gradually transition them to their own bed. I strongly believe that forcing kids to sleep in their own bed and in their own room all by themselves as soon as possible is a 5D chess move by the real estate industry to sell as much of their inventory as possible. No, kids won't be traumatised or become serial killers if they don't…

Back in the day travellers men/women/kids/strangers would all sleep in the same bed in the medieval western world. Things have changed.

I've slept in the same bed with a work-colleague of mine a few years ago during a team-building trip, we're both males. We were quite on good terms but I wouldn't say we were sharing our deepest emotional thingies, things were ok (other then his snoring).

My dad often tells me how he used to do the same thing some years ago during company trips. Sure as hell the company wouldn't have paid for two separate hotel rooms when sending a team of 2 guys out to some remote town/city, and if it so happened that that room had one matrimonial bed instead of two separate beds then bed-sharing was the norm.

On a more general note, strangers share beds and rooms while sleeping without thinking about the sex stuff, they just want to have a good night's sleep.

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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post #53

Summary: There are many studies done, but they all have data quality issues to different degrees. In general... (my conclusion) > Leaving your baby to cry it out is helpful for most babies. > But it's not recommended for babies younger than 6 months. > Some experts recommend even waiting until 12 months, because month 6-12 is critical for developing emotional regulation that occur with help of parent intervention. >…

I'd add: > When babies are sleep-trained (with the "cry it out" method), they don't actually sleep (much) longer; they wake up as often but have learned to not signal their parents.

Have they learned not to signal their parents? Or that their parents aren't interested in being there when they need them?

For me I suspect most of this is regression to mean. People mostly try sleep training in a bad patch, meaning things are likely gonna get better anyways.

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well has it worked? Have you knifed anyone?

You act like ‘back in my day’ there wasn’t any crime. If you look at murder rates in the UK they peaked in the early 2000’s. Maybe those abused boys were taught violence is the answer? Letting your baby ‘cry it out’ is abuse in my eyes and you can sleep train them without doing this. With my daughter we soothed her in her cot instead of picking her up. She will now link her sleep cycles and only cry when there is som…

Glad to see the UK is past their murder rate peak - what's the rate now, merely double what it was in 50s or the Edwardian Era?

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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post #53

Summary: There are many studies done, but they all have data quality issues to different degrees. In general... (my conclusion) > Leaving your baby to cry it out is helpful for most babies. > But it's not recommended for babies younger than 6 months. > Some experts recommend even waiting until 12 months, because month 6-12 is critical for developing emotional regulation that occur with help of parent intervention. >…

I'd add: > When babies are sleep-trained (with the "cry it out" method), they don't actually sleep (much) longer; they wake up as often but have learned to not signal their parents.

Parents getting more sleep has knock-on benefits for the kid. It's hard not to be grumpy under the influence of a sleep deficit. I wake up several times a night. So does my kid. So if I wake up every time he wakes up, and every time I'd naturally wake up, then I don't get enough sleep. Self-care is crucial for caretakers, and I was a bit disappointed to not find any mention of that in the article.

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

#266

I find this interesting that human infants are the only ones to cry out and make lots of noise, it must have been recent historically as making yourself known to predators is generally not a good idea evolution wise.

Human infants were not left alone to go hunt for food, i believe the modern concept of family is at play here. People used to live with their parents so, much more help - much less crying.

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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> "Because early experiences of stress may program the HPA (hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal) axis to be more stress reactive, increasing risk of physical and mental health problems in later life, our results suggest that parenting in infant sleep contexts may play an important role in shaping how the child responds to stress across childhood,"

I never liked the "cry it out". suspecting something like that. It was hard waking up at night but we did it anyway. It felt it was the right thing to do. I understand some might say it's evolutionary and just a way for kids to tug at our heart strings, and they may be fine otherwise. However, I sure wasn't going to experiment with that on my children.

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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The fact that this is so commonplace in my culture (USA) is frustrating and enrages me. As a parent, it is your evolutionary instinct to comfort a crying infant. They are quite literally helpless and look to caretakers for all their needs. There's a deep seated biological reason it feels bad to ignore it. The fact that it is so uncommon in other cultures should make this obvious. What are the odds that the rest of th…

On the other hand if infants were this fragile to be long term affected by something like that humanity would survive 3 generation tops. At some point synaptic prunning comes and the child is rid of nearly all indignities it suffered up to that point.

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Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand if infants were this fragile to be long term affected by something like that humanity would survive 3 generation tops. At some point synaptic prunning comes and the child is rid of nearly all indignities it suffered up to that point.

There's a lot more than synaptic pruning going on during the neurological development of infants such as migration of cells

I meant synaptic prunning that happens much later. At few years of age.

Re: What happens when babies are left to cry it out?

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The fact that this is so commonplace in my culture (USA) is frustrating and enrages me. As a parent, it is your evolutionary instinct to comfort a crying infant. They are quite literally helpless and look to caretakers for all their needs. There's a deep seated biological reason it feels bad to ignore it. The fact that it is so uncommon in other cultures should make this obvious. What are the odds that the rest of th…

> As a parent, it is your evolutionary instinct to comfort a crying infant.

My genes didn’t get the memo. My instinct is to say, “He’ll be fine, but if I don’t sleep, no one will be fine.”

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