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Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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#1 it's lonely? April 2020, 1 month into the pandemic.

I found the pandemic lonely. I saw less than 1 person a month for the first 14 months of the pandemic. And i find WFH incredibly lonely. I haven't recovered. I'm utterly alone most weeks. I see no one. Even if I go to work, no one is there. I moved cities a year ago and have only 1 friend and 2 acquaintances in the new city. 2 of those 3 are married and I see them maybe once a month, if I'm lucky. The 3rd I haven't seen since August. The pandemic as killed meetup.com. It used to be full of activities. I don't think there is 1/20th of the activities there used to be.

Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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> Hard Truth #1: Getting laid off is a profoundly lonely experience.

When I was laid off, it was very comforting to rebuild community with others who were laid off at the same time.

We started a Slack instance where we:

* shared resources with each other

* complained and vented and healed together

* celebrated each other's new jobs

* continued the network for years after

Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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I’d take #7 with a grain of salt: You’re far more desirable once you secure a job, than when you’re unemployed.

If the company is mid-size or better AND it’s not a sweat shop, take it while you assess your next move.

Don’t make the mistake of staying put, however, unless the team or company aligns with your interests.

Context: I took a break, got married, and started looking for SWE work just when the “great recession” was looming.

It took me six months and some unpopular niche skills just happened to open some opportunities. Just barely.

Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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I'm guessing #7 contributed to the fact that it took the author 1 year to find another job. If you're desperate, you can most likely find an _okay_ job in 3 months. If you don't have the luxury to wait for a "good" job, finding a job tends to happen faster.

I'm in similar shoes to the author here, and am glad to hear you show some understanding for this.

I interviewed with a quite promising company beginning of December, only to immediately get the written feedback (after the first call) of

"Well I know a lot of SWE in this town and none of them are struggling to find a job - so if you've been looking for X months, surely there's something wrong with you - and anyway, we've already signed a contract with someone else in the 5 days since we last spoke."

(To be fair to them - I had mentioned how frustrating it was to simply get "no" as negative hiring feedback and asked them to elaborate if at all possible)

I take it as a "well, bullet dodged" moment, but I am not going to lie and say it didn't sting.

Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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post #3

I'm guessing #7 contributed to the fact that it took the author 1 year to find another job. If you're desperate, you can most likely find an _okay_ job in 3 months. If you don't have the luxury to wait for a "good" job, finding a job tends to happen faster.

I can respond to this having gone through a similar process in the past few years. There’s ok and there’s the (IMHO) more common bad. I turned down several offers myself, for reasons ranging from ‘not wanting to be the public advocate for something I didn’t believe in’ to ‘discovering the leadership were crypto scammers’.

Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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post #3

I'm guessing #7 contributed to the fact that it took the author 1 year to find another job. If you're desperate, you can most likely find an _okay_ job in 3 months. If you don't have the luxury to wait for a "good" job, finding a job tends to happen faster.

Just curious, what do you define as an _okay_ job? Would you be willing to pay the opportunity cost to take it?

For what it's worth, I thought the same. I applied to over 50 companies and not all of them were FAANG by any stretch of the imagination. I'll admit I'm not the best at interviewing, which certainly was a factor. But even as I broadened my search to the "okay" roles, I still had difficulty landing work.

Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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post #3

I'm guessing #7 contributed to the fact that it took the author 1 year to find another job. If you're desperate, you can most likely find an _okay_ job in 3 months. If you don't have the luxury to wait for a "good" job, finding a job tends to happen faster.

The bar can get very low! Look into local low prestige consulting companies if you’re really desperate for something. I worked at one after moving to the US and the hiring bar was extremely low and I was working there a few days later

Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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> Don’t discount the physical aspect of loneliness either. If you’re like me, work is the primary shaper of your life. Work gives your life rhythm. It is the gravitational center around which the other activities in your life revolve. Then, one day, poof—it’s gone.

Exhibit A of why not to take your day job too seriously. Be professional — but that’s as far as it goes.

> Come up with a more, uh, positive reason for why you’re interviewing instead of disclosing that you were laid off.

There’s nothing wrong with being laid off. I was, last week. Saw it coming from a mile away. Told my new employer about it.

Here’s the secret for getting a job you’re happy with. Try to have competing offers. I would have had to take over a 60% reduction in salary if I hadn’t had one. But I did, and so it was merely a 37% reduction. I’m very happy with it.

This is an area where I have to give tptacek lots of credit. I sort of shuffled from job to job until he posted this nugget of wisdom, and it’s quite true. None of the points in the article applied to me because of a fundamental shift in mindset. It happened around 7 years ago.

I think the loneliness aspect is intertwined with the reason why most people don’t try to go interview while you already have a job. You see your job as something more. It’s not just a job; it gives your life rhythm.

Maybe so. But in my experience, the way to be happy is not to care so darn much about it. Do a good job. But try to get a better one. And when you’re on the market, try to get multiple.

The recent thread about the engineer who got their offer rescinded from two different YC companies is exhibit B. They mentioned that they stopped looking for new jobs after things seemed to be going well during the pre-offer phase. Don’t do this. You should be doing a breadth-first search of all possible opportunities: talk to as many people as possible, and spend your time weighted by expected outcome.

Re: Hard truths I learned when I got laid off from my SWE job

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Getting laid off absolutely sucks and it could potentially happen to anyone, thus it's important everyone has some sort of nest egg.

And please... network, network, network! I know not everyone has this opportunity, but if you leave a good lasting impression and make friends with strong coworkers, over time they will get promoted to higher and higher positions making it incredibly easier to find a job when needed.

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