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Taking Sex Differences in Personality Seriously (2019)

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Norah Vincent basically broke her psyche trying to live as a man, and the story has barely left an impact on the status quo. Similar stories exist among transmen rather than women going incognito, even if in their case it would be to pick their poison. The idea that there are no downsides doesn't mesh with reality.

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In the past 12 months I’ve gone from having normal male levels of testosterone and estrogen to having normal female levels of both. It’s truly amazing and wonderful that we can do this, and I’ve learned so much from the experience. It’s hard to describe the changes precisely, but I’m finding that women make more sense to me and are more interesting to talk to, while I have a lower tolerance for men trying to act toug…

> It’s a real shame that people get so bent out of shape about trans people The issue which people react so allergic to is the complete lack of tolerance by the transgender community. If someone points out that a man who really wants to be a women is in principle still a man then they get instantly labelled a bigot. It completely misrepresents the definition of tolerance. Tolerance can only exist in a state of disagr…

But if you deep down inside hold the belief that transgenderism is "a mental health condition" wouldn't you want to "help" those individuals that you believe are suffering from a disease by telling them that they are sick and need help/treatment?

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> I agree with this, although I suspect most of what Taylor reports is true and not "placebo", as it matches other reporting from people who are chemically transitioning. Certainly I do not doubt that they have recently started enjoying romantic comedies, human interest stories, sewing, cooking and not getting into arguments about racism, but I am skeptical that these are caused by externally-induced hormonal changes…

It is well documented that hormone levels affect activation patterns [1-5], so I am not sure why you are skeptical about it. Using references from another commenter. [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19789167/ [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17117339/ [3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25505380/ [4] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29544637/ [5] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18842345/

Sorry but, pasting in five citations of papers you've not read, from another commenter who probably just grabbed the first five they stumbled across from searching PubMed, doesn't really add to the discussion.

Also, the first paper is written in Croatian and the second in Spanish, so it seems odd to link these on an English language forum. The odds of finding someone who understands all three languages well enough to discuss these researchers' work with you is, most likely, extremely low.

Re: Taking Sex Differences in Personality Seriously (2019)

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It’s truly shocking but it turns out our eyes aren’t lying and reality is true.

Our eyes lie all the time and experience is wide open to interpretation. That's why we have science so we can objectively and progressively determine what is true and what is not.

Relying on our gut like our ancestors, who for example believed in the obvious reality of witches, is the best way to be ignorant of what is really true.

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> It’s a real shame that people get so bent out of shape about trans people The issue which people react so allergic to is the complete lack of tolerance by the transgender community. If someone points out that a man who really wants to be a women is in principle still a man then they get instantly labelled a bigot. It completely misrepresents the definition of tolerance. Tolerance can only exist in a state of disagr…

But if you deep down inside hold the belief that transgenderism is "a mental health condition" wouldn't you want to "help" those individuals that you believe are suffering from a disease by telling them that they are sick and need help/treatment?

The dysphoria of feeling like you're in the wrong body is the mental illness, there currently is no fix for this except for transition. All outcomes improve by social transition with family support, notably outcomes do not improve by telling transgender people that they're mentally ill and that they must accept their gender assigned at birth.

Being transgender alone does not constitute a mental health condition. Dysphoria is the culprit. If people could transition at will The Culture style there would be zero confusion on this point.

Re: Taking Sex Differences in Personality Seriously (2019)

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In the past 12 months I’ve gone from having normal male levels of testosterone and estrogen to having normal female levels of both. It’s truly amazing and wonderful that we can do this, and I’ve learned so much from the experience. It’s hard to describe the changes precisely, but I’m finding that women make more sense to me and are more interesting to talk to, while I have a lower tolerance for men trying to act toug…

Your monthly cycle is odd! In females who ovulate on a monthly cycle, hormone levels change throughout the month because of ovulation, and that's what causes mood changes (and other stuff too - my wife drops stuff a lot right around ovulation). But if you're taking hormones, aren't they in the form of daily pills or wearable patches? There wouldn't be much variance in hormone levels with HRT, or if there is, there's no mechanism for them to be monthly. What do you think causes your monthly cycle?

Edit: sorry, I sorted writing this a while ago while making tea, none of the other responses were there, and now that I've posted it I see a whole bunch of people making similar points. Sorry.

Re: Taking Sex Differences in Personality Seriously (2019)

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In the past 12 months I’ve gone from having normal male levels of testosterone and estrogen to having normal female levels of both. It’s truly amazing and wonderful that we can do this, and I’ve learned so much from the experience. It’s hard to describe the changes precisely, but I’m finding that women make more sense to me and are more interesting to talk to, while I have a lower tolerance for men trying to act toug…

> It’s a real shame that people get so bent out of shape about trans people The issue which people react so allergic to is the complete lack of tolerance by the transgender community. If someone points out that a man who really wants to be a women is in principle still a man then they get instantly labelled a bigot. It completely misrepresents the definition of tolerance. Tolerance can only exist in a state of disagr…

This argument, that it’s the trans community that is intolerant and not those who don’t fully accept trans gender identities as legitimate, is simplistic and in bad faith.

The problem is that a lack of genuine acceptance of trans identities (i.e. that trans men are men, and trans women are women) inevitably leads to trans people _not_ being treated the way they want to be treated.

The classic examples of these are bathrooms and athletics. Trans people want to use the bathrooms and compete on athletics teams corresponding to their identity. It sure feels like intolerance when this choice is denied from trans people.

I don’t know your own personal views, but it’s certainly not the case that “the vast majority of people” are aligned with trans people on the above issues.

Re: Taking Sex Differences in Personality Seriously (2019)

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post #93

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It is well documented that hormone levels affect activation patterns [1-5], so I am not sure why you are skeptical about it. Using references from another commenter. [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19789167/ [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17117339/ [3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25505380/ [4] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29544637/ [5] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18842345/

Sorry but, pasting in five citations of papers you've not read, from another commenter who probably just grabbed the first five they stumbled across from searching PubMed, doesn't really add to the discussion. Also, the first paper is written in Croatian and the second in Spanish, so it seems odd to link these on an English language forum. The odds of finding someone who understands all three languages well enough to…

You can take a look at the abstract and then look for related articles in English.

You are dismissing articles that contradict your beliefs on the basis of lacking the capacity to read them, not of their content.

No comment on the other 3 references, thus that response does not contribute to the discussion, except for showing that you do not care about reaching some truth. But then again that account is only a few minutes old.

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The vast majority of human cultures across time and space don’t recognize gender in the sense you do. There’s sex, roles, personality, trends, etc but the concept of a man identifying as a woman and vice versa is a very rare one. There are European countries (most recently Switzerland) that outright reject these notions, and they were almost unheard of in the US just a mere decade ago. What seems like basic reality t…

I think you misunderstood me - OP wrote he doesn't have a concept of sex where he comes from. Since that's the biological term it sounded funny to me. I'm sure he meant to say gender.
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