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Taking Sex Differences in Personality Seriously (2019)

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Why would you hope that more people will do this? Do you see any possible downsides at the individual or societal level?

I hope more people do this because for me it feels really right, and I find it beautiful. It’s also helping me understand women more. I think our society would benefit from a better understanding of the experiences of the opposite sex, and people who do this can help share this with others so we all have a better understanding. I don’t see any downsides to more people doing this.

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You probably just met someone from a non-English culture. The sex/gender distinction is an invention of the past 20 years, and outside of the English world has probably only been picked up by people who interface with English speakers a lot (i.e. academics). I can assure you that Korean makes no distinction: the dictionary translations of the English terms are "sex" and (the full phrase) "one's feeling of one's sex."

> The sex/gender distinction is an invention of the past 20 years

As a generalized concept (though descriptions of social systems with gender roles distinct from the commonly referenced sex binary are older still, though many of those written by members of societies which did not recognize such a distinctions, including Western European colonialists, were hampered by the absence of terminology to describe it simply) its significantly older than 20 years; with research projects and prominent works on gender identity, in the modern sense, being written as early as the 1950s and 1960s. While the bulk of the writing that early (and for some time after) on the subject pathologized identities that diverged from the social sex/gender correspondence stereotypes, it recognized that they existed, were largely a product of aspects of biology, and while they tended to held out that there was a social contribution to them which made them potentially malleable early on (and advised conversion therapy for that purpose), recognized that they were difficult to impossible to modify beyond early childhood, and in many cases recognized the value of gender confirming procedures beyond that point.

Re: Taking Sex Differences in Personality Seriously (2019)

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I wonder if there's something going on similar to the Curse of Dimensionality: when we reduce to one dimension at a time, there's way more interior than surface, and we see overwhelming overlap; when we take the gestalt in all dimensions, there's way more surface than interior, and we see separable populations?

There's a similar phenomenon you might encounter in language: if you have a text, and you sample one random letter at a time from it, it turns out not to be very difficult to determine what language the text is written in. Does the letter 'i' exist in French? Does it exist outside French? Sure, but nevertheless you can rule French in or out based on how often you sample a letter and get 'i'. French uses the same 'i'…

Same kind of thing works with counting the frequency of particular digits (n-digit analysis) in a given position for an integer or decimal. Especially for the higher order decimal digits there's a far-from-random distribution that you can use to infer whether there's been any tampering, given enough values to study.

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In the past 12 months I’ve gone from having normal male levels of testosterone and estrogen to having normal female levels of both. It’s truly amazing and wonderful that we can do this, and I’ve learned so much from the experience. It’s hard to describe the changes precisely, but I’m finding that women make more sense to me and are more interesting to talk to, while I have a lower tolerance for men trying to act toug…

> I've also started experiencing monthly cycles where for about one week a month I feel more tired and weepy like I could cry very easily

This sounds like wishful thinking to me. In women, the periodic mood changes happen during the luteal phase of the menstrual cycle, and coincide with the rise in progesterone that is triggered by ovulation.

Males don't have ovaries, so do not ovulate, and thus cannot experience the menstrual process that causes such periodic symptoms.

I think you're seeing this pattern because you want to, not because it has any underlying periodic hormonal cause.

Re: Taking Sex Differences in Personality Seriously (2019)

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Why would you hope that more people will do this? Do you see any possible downsides at the individual or societal level?

I hope more people do this because for me it feels really right, and I find it beautiful. It’s also helping me understand women more. I think our society would benefit from a better understanding of the experiences of the opposite sex, and people who do this can help share this with others so we all have a better understanding. I don’t see any downsides to more people doing this.

Would you be in favor of giving people schizophrenia-inducing drugs, with the risk of having permanent mental effects, so people can understand mental health issues better?

These drugs you are taking are no joking matter and your fortuitous lived experience doesn't make your claim less preposterous

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I hope more people do this because for me it feels really right, and I find it beautiful. It’s also helping me understand women more. I think our society would benefit from a better understanding of the experiences of the opposite sex, and people who do this can help share this with others so we all have a better understanding. I don’t see any downsides to more people doing this.

Norah Vincent basically broke her psyche trying to live as a man, and the story has barely left an impact on the status quo. Similar stories exist among transmen rather than women going incognito, even if in their case it would be to pick their poison. The idea that there are no downsides doesn't mesh with reality.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope more people do this because for me it feels really right, and I find it beautiful. It’s also helping me understand women more. I think our society would benefit from a better understanding of the experiences of the opposite sex, and people who do this can help share this with others so we all have a better understanding. I don’t see any downsides to more people doing this.

Norah Vincent basically broke her psyche trying to live as a man, and the story has barely left an impact on the status quo. Similar stories exist among transmen rather than women going incognito, even if in their case it would be to pick their poison. The idea that there are no downsides doesn't mesh with reality.

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What basis do you have for making these assumptions? It seems rather unscientific to make such baseless claims about a very specialised area most people don't have knowledge of, and mentioning anecdotes about your wife is totally irrelevant...

No basis. OP gave one anecdote, I gave another one. They seem to contradict each other. That's my point - they are both just anecdotes.

No, one is a form of natural experiment (changing the hormone profile of a single person who can compare the causal effects).

The other is an assumption that someone's observed characteristics are caused by one particular hormone level, with no evidence to support that.

You could attribute her height and preference for fatty fish to her T levels too, if you strained hard enough.

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In the past 12 months I’ve gone from having normal male levels of testosterone and estrogen to having normal female levels of both. It’s truly amazing and wonderful that we can do this, and I’ve learned so much from the experience. It’s hard to describe the changes precisely, but I’m finding that women make more sense to me and are more interesting to talk to, while I have a lower tolerance for men trying to act toug…

> I've also started experiencing monthly cycles where for about one week a month I feel more tired and weepy like I could cry very easily This sounds like wishful thinking to me. In women, the periodic mood changes happen during the luteal phase of the menstrual cycle, and coincide with the rise in progesterone that is triggered by ovulation. Males don't have ovaries, so do not ovulate, and thus cannot experience the…

I agree with this, although I suspect most of what Taylor reports is true and not "placebo", as it matches other reporting from people who are chemically transitioning.

The "monthly cycle" thing is not usually reported.

Not that I'm saying that isn't truly your experience :)

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You probably just met someone from a non-English culture. The sex/gender distinction is an invention of the past 20 years, and outside of the English world has probably only been picked up by people who interface with English speakers a lot (i.e. academics). I can assure you that Korean makes no distinction: the dictionary translations of the English terms are "sex" and (the full phrase) "one's feeling of one's sex."

Isn’t your last sentence the essential difference in English as well?
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