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Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by bobthepanda »

vorpalhex wrote: post #389
bobthepanda wrote: post #366

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At the same time, being unable to rent an apartment in DC as a Congressperson effectively cuts out people who were, or are of, a certain income strata from ever serving as representatives and Senators. Is that actually desirable?

No. They can commute from Maryland or Virginia like everyone else. Biden, when he was VP under Obama, commuted back and forth to Delaware on the weekends still.

Those states, and pretty much every state, also have apartments that run credit score checks.

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Post by eternalban »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #354
dinkumthinkum wrote: post #343

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Is that serious? Behind the technology curve is a massive understatement. They were thousands of years behind in nearly every area of development.

I wonder if the massive riches of nature they had for a low amount of people played a role in this

I think Yuval Noah Harari would agree with you. You may find his book Sapiens of interest.

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The point you raise touches directly on the essence of my original comment (which should have been clearer):

When we think of the value-system matrix of the 3 co-evolving continents of Europe, Africa, and Asia, the core commonality that is specially distinct from the value-system matrix that evolved in Americas is in regards to notions of property and nature 'husbandry'.

Any vanguard explorers from the Eurasian civilisational matrix would bring with them the entirely alien notions of property and systemic cultivation of nature, and that would inevitably result in a confrontation of value systems, in which the technologically superior side would dominate.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by Retric »

__jambo wrote: post #388
Retric wrote: post #251

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It isn’t going to be clean burning, but the clothes are presumably bone dry which helps. Really though it’s not about how good an energy source this is, but just how much old junk people have. I have seen people toss several hundred pounds of old clothes that don’t have any real value. It’s the same with old books they don’t burn that well but when you have a half a ton you might as well burn em vs toss them in a lan…

If they had several hundred pounds of old clothes they can build a gigantic pillow fort and huddle together in the middle with a candle. This would be better than burning the clothes, as I assume they have enough food.

A pillow fort doesn’t keep liquids above freezing so you have something to drink.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by vorpalhex »

bobthepanda wrote: post #391
vorpalhex wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. They can commute from Maryland or Virginia like everyone else. Biden, when he was VP under Obama, commuted back and forth to Delaware on the weekends still.

Those states, and pretty much every state, also have apartments that run credit score checks.

Yes, and you can still get housing with a bad credit score, you will just be getting less expensive housing.

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Post by gadders »

epistasis wrote: post #41
gadders wrote: post #31

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Net zero will make this more common, sadly, either through energy insecurity or people being unable to afford to heat their homes.

Energy will be far cheaper when we switch to a fossil fuel free grid, because the newer technologies are cheaper, and unlike fossil fuels they are on a decreasing cost tech curve. So the sooner we build out the tech, the sooner prices fall.

The end state is great. It's people dying during the transition that worries me.

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Post by gadders »

starkd wrote: post #73
gadders wrote: post #31

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Net zero will make this more common, sadly, either through energy insecurity or people being unable to afford to heat their homes.

I can't imagine what people in upstate NY are going to do in temperatures like this with only a heat pump, since they are trying to transition everyone off gas or oil. A heat pump is next to worthless in sub zero temps. Many will use wood.

Where I live in rural England, when the new gas prices were announced in July that chap that sells one tone bags of logs for wood burners had his busiest day ever. Log burners are lot less clean than gas.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by gadders »

epistasis wrote: post #153
dboreham wrote: post #116

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Is this true? It contradicts everything I know about energy. Can you post some evidence?

Here's a paper that is the best single source of quantification of learning curves that I know of: https://www.inet.ox.ac.uk/publications/no-2021-01-empiricall... With a detailed podcast episode here: https://xenetwork.org/ets/episodes/episode-159-the-cost-of-d... But any single paper in the literature shouldn't be trusted on its own. So I would encourage anybody who is interested to look for themselves at cost curve…

The technologies you mention are all intermittent, though.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by epistasis »

gadders wrote: post #396
epistasis wrote: post #41

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Energy will be far cheaper when we switch to a fossil fuel free grid, because the newer technologies are cheaper, and unlike fossil fuels they are on a decreasing cost tech curve. So the sooner we build out the tech, the sooner prices fall.

The end state is great. It's people dying during the transition that worries me.

Why would anybody die during the transition? Especially if we do the transition as quickly as possible, we will be adding new resources to the grid while existing fossil fuel resources are still there.

In the US the grid problems are generally from having inadequate grid resources, and adding more will only help.

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Post by gadders »

epistasis wrote: post #399
gadders wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The end state is great. It's people dying during the transition that worries me.

Why would anybody die during the transition? Especially if we do the transition as quickly as possible, we will be adding new resources to the grid while existing fossil fuel resources are still there. In the US the grid problems are generally from having inadequate grid resources, and adding more will only help.

Have you not seen energy prices lately? I feel like when we discuss energy transition we get into a no-true Scotsman argument.
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