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Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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There are affordable plans in Canada. It's just that they aren't really advertised. I have unlimited Canadian talk+text + 2GB for $35/month. Without the data (just unlimited domestic text+voice) it's $20/month. This plan isn't public...for some reason my wife got emailed about it and she got signed up. They allowed me to sign up too, even though they hadn't notified me about it. I think these plans are used to entice…

Maybe you're not aware how much cheaper data is in other countries. Here in Brazil, unlimited Whatsapp + Voice + 5Gb costs 8$/month. Surely there are many factors to this but those Canadian prices still sound insane to me. This website ( https://www.cable.co.uk/mobiles/worldwide-data-pricing/#pric... ) lists Canada as having 50x more expensive data than Italy for instance.

Brazil's median _household_ income is also $17k. Canada's is $77k.

Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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There are affordable plans in Canada. It's just that they aren't really advertised. I have unlimited Canadian talk+text + 2GB for $35/month. Without the data (just unlimited domestic text+voice) it's $20/month. This plan isn't public...for some reason my wife got emailed about it and she got signed up. They allowed me to sign up too, even though they hadn't notified me about it. I think these plans are used to entice…

If $17 per GB is the affordable plan, what is the unaffordable plan?! I pay <$2 per GB in the UK, and I think that's extortionate.

Yes, but the UK is also smaller than Oregon.

Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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>“Everything about a phone is built around time-synching on the order of 5 to 10 milliseconds,” Wisniewski says. “That works just fine with a tower that’s a quarter mile away, 3 miles away even, but not for orbit.”

You know, that's an excellent point...

I'm guessing (but not knowing!) -- that the farther a signal needs to be synched in space -- deep space for example -- the larger possible "time interval" / "time skew" / "time jitter" (for lack of better terminology, I am not a signal engineer!) -- between signal components!

Consider the following question in theoretical physics:

Let's suppose someone could choose a point in the universe, all the way across the universe (like let's suppose the universe is like a circle, and the point chosen is diametrically opposite to where you are now -- the farthest point opposite your own, on the circle's circumference.)

And let's suppose you could send a radio signal from this most far point in the universe -- and somehow receive it where you are now...

If you could -- then the $64,000 question is:

"What does that radio signal look like at the endpoint, once it has traversed all of that space?"

Because it probably has been transformed in some way, before it reaches its destination...

Maybe it has not only become phase shifted and/or time skewed -- in some way...

Perhaps that signal, by the time it reaches the longest point in the universe away from it -- has been completely Fourier Transformed...

If most of that signal at its point of origin was originally in the frequency domain (like most signals are) -- then perhaps that signal, in its journey over miles and miles of endless space -- is now mostly in the time domain...

Or, I'll go for "full crackpot" --

Perhaps what defines the largest possible distance between two points in space -- is the Fourier Transform of all signals present in one point in space/time -- Fourier transformed -- at another point in space/time...

(Or perhaps I should call space/time -- time/space -- its reciprocal/inverse ?)

But perhaps this is all wrong!

Perhaps the opposite to a point in space -- is all other points in Space!

Or, all other points in Time...

Well, whatever the case, it would be interesting to know what signal transformations are necessary to get a given signal the farthest to/from deep space...

At least for future, outside of our solar system, space missions...

Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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What? My wifi barely reaches the other side of my room with a wall in between, how am I supposed to think 350 miles is within reason? Even with clear sky, your signal to a tower an order of magnitude closer would be unusable. If you look at apple’s latest feature, even them, with specific hardware probably, requires minutes of open-sky pointing directly at the closest satellite, to transmit mere bytes of data. That t…

I know nothing of your own situation, but having personally deployed fully working and operational WiFi for a 10000 plus seat stadium, various other campuses, but also seeing cell phones work in your pocket moving in a car or in a big city shopping centre is amazing. Even the Starlink stuff that is already deployed. Anyway let's wait and see - I'm pretty sure T-Mobile wouldn't have signed on for something that is jus…

> I'm pretty sure T-Mobile wouldn't have signed on for something that is just a pipedream

Las Vegas and a few other cities did, from the same salesman: https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-boring-company-tunnel...

Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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Is there someone you trust more with your data, if so, please share.

Globalstar ...

edit to add more detail: given Musk's history of unilaterally cancelling some individual's tesla orders, publishing car telemetry to dispute autopilot crash news stories, deciding when, how, and where Ukraine can use Starlink, and now plenty more examples of banning / censoring / downranking people as he sees fit on twitter, I'd prefer not to use a service he provides if i can get comparable capabilities somewhere else

Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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This sounds to me like a single, global, commercial IMSI catcher that can track international movement of cell phones.. I guess the question is how good their triangulation will be, but I imagine the back-end data market for this will be fairly lucrative for them. And they don't really need any countries permission to _listen_ from space... .. .

That’s old sigint tech at this point.

Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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I'm just glad because that's going to end the longstanding misconception that phones are connected to satellites. They will finally be.

Phones do receive data from GPS satellites.

I've run into the reverse misconception, people think they need cell service for GPS to work.

Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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Just as a PSA in case not everyone knows this new feature. In the US and a growing number of other countries, the latest iPhones have a satellite network for emergencies. If tech giants are going to spend money on something cool, might as well use it. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213426

It's not exactly "satellite network", it's piggy-backing on an existing SAR reception infrastructure that used to require somewhat expensive dedicated devices. Not sure it's a good idea, I'd expect a wave of SAR requests for not real emergencies.

If this story is accurate, the integration with the iPhone's existing crash detection has already been used in a rescue:

https://9to5mac.com/2022/12/14/iphone-14-satellite-crash-det...

Which is a pretty neat capability all things considered.

Re: Existing smartphones will connect with new satellite constellations in 2023

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I'm really excited for this. In Montana there are long distances between towns, lots of snow, and outdoor stuff is a major pastime. No longer having any places where you can't call for help will make things a lot safer.

True enough. We have a cabin in the middle of nowhere in Washington, and there’s just enough signal to call or text for help but not enough for anyone to browse Instagram or check email. Something magical happens when we invite people out there. For the first hour or two, you notice folks sneaking off and holding their phones high. After a while, everyone gives up and the rest of the weekend we’re all present where we are. I’ll be pretty sad the day that stops happening, obvious benefits aside.
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