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Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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Musk’s provocative nonsense was a major reason why I didn’t consider leasing a Tesla earlier this year when I was in the market for an EV. I don’t think I’m the only one who feels this way.

What EV did you choose instead? They are all so terrible by comparison when it comes to range and charging infra that it’s hard to go elsewhere. I don’t like Tesla because of the lack of CarPlay, etc and the tight attachment to their central servers but can’t find a reasonable alternative yet.

Kia Niro EV. It’s been totally fine, especially since I don’t have to commit to it for more than 3 years.

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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> 1) Cite an example of his statements used in “Russian propaganda

This article discusses the interplay: https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/10/13/musk-carlson-trump-midt...

> (as if that’s even his fault anyways)

Maybe if this were 2016, but how Russian propaganda works and the role prominent/influential Westerners play in reinforcing Russia's narratives is (or should be) well known to highly connected and influential people like Musk.

When you say "X", and then "X" is used by a genocidal regime to support their war of choice, maybe it's time to stop saying "X".

> 2) He said they should negotiate a peace and end the war, which is correct. This was in the context of preventing the escalation to nuclear weapons which would be a disaster unseen since WWII.

The geopolitical stalemate that has staved off nuclear war since the Cold War era has been MAD - mutually assured destruction. The idea that anyone should cede territory to an invading nuclear power at the mere threat of using nukes is to abandon MAD entirely. In this new framework, any country with nuclear capabilities will be emboldened to wage conventional war, and they can be comfortable knowing that if they disrupt western life enough and threaten the end of the planet with nuclear Armageddon, they don't risk any retaliation by the West whatsoever. In fact, quite the opposite, the West will be happy to capitulate under the guise of "peace". But really all that has happened is that bullies are empowered to bully.

If Putin gets what he wants in Ukraine by threatening nuclear war, what happens when Putin turns toward Moldova and starts threatening them? If Putin is appeased, what stops him from demanding more? Does Putin just get whatever he wants now, as long as he threatens to use his nukes?

Putin doesn't need to be placated to deter him from using nukes. It needs to be made clear to him (and all Russians) that Russia will be vaporized in the case Putin uses nukes against Ukraine. That is the deterrence.

> 3) Twitter was extremely corrupt at pretty much every level, and his “Twitter files” only showed what we all knew was happening

The Twitter Files show you what Musk wants you to see. Case in point: Musk released the tweets that Biden wanted taken down (actually although he had them, Musk didn't release theml we had to track them down using the Internet Archive) but won't release the tweets the Trump admin wanted taken down. It's no wonder you conclude corruption, when you're being sold half the story. Selective disclosure and narrative building have been the hallmark of the Twitter Files. Ask yourself: if the point is transparency and exposure, why isn't all the data available for anyone to peruse?

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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Musk was very clearly mocking the propaganda tweet, not praising it. I wouldn't put much confidence in the predictions of someone who didn't realise that.

Only because of his follow-up tweet -- his first tweet ("Epic thread") was fully ambiguous. He knows better (after all, he owns the platform) so he's also willingly trolling by not being clearer. That said, the media response to it -- pumping his first tweet without clarifying by virtue of the second tweet -- is emblematic of everything wrong with our current news/media/social-media culture.

It wasn't remotely ambiguous.

People have lost their minds over Musk.

It's not a good look.

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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I would agree on this one, but his pro-Putin / anti-American policy towards Ukraine is the context here. Plus he loves to troll the U.S. Gov (particularly the Dems) who literally made his life as a billionaire possible by funding him with billion to create Tesla when he was still basically "poor". He would be nothing without liberals who created the electric car incentive programs and EV loan programs, yet he trashes…

> but his pro-Putin / anti-American policy towards Ukraine What an absurd characterization. Don’t you have something better to do than wake up and post lies on the internet? He said they should negotiate an end to the war, that’s not “pro-putin”. It really bothers me when people like yourself post these blatantly false statements, and I can’t say I’m surprised this post is still up/not flagged.

> He said they should negotiate an end to the war, that’s not “pro-putin”.

People are trying to end this war and the next one. Anyone who believes Putin will back down after success in Ukraine isn't paying attention. Furthermore, the people who should be particularly quiet about what to do in Ukraine are those who swore that Russia would not invade in the first place, because they don't have a clue what makes Putin tick. The people who saw this war coming from a mile away are the ones who deserve attention now, and that's not Musk.

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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Tesla stocks have always been overvalued. The reason why is that people believe in him, his vision and the future sales of Tesla based on him and his vision. It is a luxury brand. A lifestyle. I am proposing the theory that maybe he's lost a little bit of that magic in people believing in him. I could have it all wrong since it is anecdotal evidence of the worst kind - my own. I recently considered purchasing a Tesla…

Tesla plaid is not a luxury car.

Could you please stop posting flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments? You've been doing this repeatedly, unfortunately. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

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