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Car-sharing service HiGear shuts down due to theft of 4 cars worth $400,000

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Re: Car-sharing service HiGear shuts down due to theft of 4 cars worth $400,000

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How can Techcrunch say "the group stole four cars totaling $400,000" and then immediately print a letter from the company saying "The total value of these cars was around $300,000"? Even though in this case it's ok if you read the letter, it is the kind of thing that makes me feel like I shouldn't rely on Techcrunch's reporting. It's really not a big deal but how did that happen? Why are the numbers different?

Much like what we did to airlines, the web does not optimize for good reporting.

I'm not sure how to solve it.

Re: Car-sharing service HiGear shuts down due to theft of 4 cars worth $400,000

#103
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That's sad to hear, but I think he's right to realize that it's going to be really hard to deal with losses when the auto theft community gets wind of their business. I am always amazed by the efficiency and technological prowess that the kids I grew up with who steal cars apply to their trade (even if I wish they were involved in a better trade). One kid I grew up with now has a ring of six guys working for him, pay…

The 1995 Honda Civic is the most stolen car in America. At least, it topped the list when I last looked into it as a result of my brother in law having his 1995 Honda Civic stolen from the third floor of a casino parking garage in Las Vegas. This was on Christmas, and his car was full of the presents that he and his family had received that year. They were covered with a blanket and it's unlikely that the thieves kne…

It doesn't take 8 hours to drive from Vegas to Reno.

I had my brother's Tahoe stolen out of a hotel parking lot in Vegas. (I bought him a new truck.)

Re: Car-sharing service HiGear shuts down due to theft of 4 cars worth $400,000

#104

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I don't want to comment on all criminal business. I'm against murder, rape, kidnap and many other crimes. In my opinion prostitution and theft fall in the gray area. Risk-Reward balance in theft is probably the same as in every other risky business. The difference is barrier to entry is so low. That makes all the difference. Alright, I'll just say this, because I don't want to look like a guy who takes moral high-gro…

Ok, I'll bite. :) > In my opinion prostitution and theft fall in the gray area. I'm really curious what about theft puts in the same gray area as prostitution. One is the forced appropriation of another's labor, the other isn't. Are you also ok with bank heists, dacoity on trains, white-collar crime/corruption (all are theft)? I'm really interested in your reasoning.

Let me be clear, anything that involves bulling or physical abuse is clear crime to me.

One thing that theft and prostitution have in common are, they both have near zero barrier to entry. I sometimes argue with friends, that starting a internet company is the only near zero barrier to entry market. But, me and my friends take for granted, computers and internet connections paid by month and the knowledge that comes with it. For folks with no real skills that may land them on a job. Its natural to look for ways, to get some money, without putting in a lot of money.

I say material theft is in the gray area, because of all the white-collar crimes that are happening all the time, and people doing it are getting away with it. There are interesting studies about, how all bank robberies and auto-thefts constitute to a tiny portion of theft when compared to people stealing office supplies.

I don't support bank heists, dacoity on trains or white-collar crime/corruption.

All I'm saying is all crimes happen because, people who are doing it doesn't have enough social equity to be a good member of the society. Old people here in India used to say, English medicines treat symptoms not the disease. Punishing theft is somewhat like that, unless we uplift the communities that involve in crime, we can never stop crimes.

Re: Car-sharing service HiGear shuts down due to theft of 4 cars worth $400,000

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to comment on all criminal business. I'm against murder, rape, kidnap and many other crimes. In my opinion prostitution and theft fall in the gray area. Risk-Reward balance in theft is probably the same as in every other risky business. The difference is barrier to entry is so low. That makes all the difference. Alright, I'll just say this, because I don't want to look like a guy who takes moral high-gro…

Do you have better alternative than jail when you are dealing with thieves? I guess 2x loss monetary fine could be a good replacement to jail time for first time thieves.

IMO starting with "what makes them steal" and fixing it, will deliver better results than, "how do we stop them from stealing anymore".

Re: Car-sharing service HiGear shuts down due to theft of 4 cars worth $400,000

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know from my own experience about being poor. How about family of 4 living on less than $100/month income? That's me as a teenager 20 years ago as a member of said family. I never implied that quitting criminal gang is easy. The hardest part though is to overcome greed and change mentality. Unemployed mom and baby sister would likely to be better off without criminal gang member in the family.

Would they? Recall that gangs are partially a matter of self-defense. You join a gang because otherwise rival gangs try to hurt or kill you. You join to defend your family. At least that's the story they spin. Once you buy into the story, it becomes even harder to convince yourself that it's a good idea to leave. I do not claim to know your past. But I know my parents were also poor, and the difference between them a…

"In search of respect" by Philip Bourgois is an interesting book, particularly on the reality of how much money there is in the drug trade, and about gang life.

Re: Car-sharing service HiGear shuts down due to theft of 4 cars worth $400,000

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I came here to post this too. I felt bad for them until I got to the "girls" part, at which point I didn't feel bad. Although they didn't go out of business because of their sexist business practices, I don't shed a tear for them. Yes, this is a marketing stunt, but I hope the day comes when the cost of this marketing outweighs the benefit (i.e., more people find the objectification of women offensive to the point of…

No, it's completely unrelated. The only topic this is related to is, "Why do people care so much what women do, of their own free will, with their bodies?"

Because there is a long history of sexism like this (that hasn't gone away) and sometimes its hard to figure out what actions are ok and what are part of the ancient régime.

Re: Car-sharing service HiGear shuts down due to theft of 4 cars worth $400,000

#108

I felt worse for these guys until I read to the end of the letter and found out about the "HiGear girls". It's not quite as bad as I thought because they don't seem to "rent out" these models like they do cars; I guess it was just a publicity thing. But still, having revealing pictures and even stats (measurements) of the women is pretty much the definition of objectification. FOLLOWUP (responding to comments): I'm n…

it makes it harder for people to accept their own non-ideal bodies as beautiful That's because usually (if not always) non-ideal bodies are not beautiful. I feel like there's a giant disconnect between people like you (sweeping generalization, no offense intended) and people around me. You see a girl with some extra weight and you may think she should ignore it, and hop on a computer. Here, most (yes, most) of the gi…

That's because usually (if not always) non-ideal bodies are not beautiful

people have different tastes. just look at gay men and straight men. they find different things attractive. there is no perfectly sexy/beautiful type. it's all subjective. for every person, there's someone who thinks they are beautiful.

Re: Car-sharing service HiGear shuts down due to theft of 4 cars worth $400,000

#109

I felt worse for these guys until I read to the end of the letter and found out about the "HiGear girls". It's not quite as bad as I thought because they don't seem to "rent out" these models like they do cars; I guess it was just a publicity thing. But still, having revealing pictures and even stats (measurements) of the women is pretty much the definition of objectification. FOLLOWUP (responding to comments): I'm n…

Sexy cars and pin-up girls have gone hand-in-hand for generations, and probably always will. Are you really outraged at the notion of dudes wanting to look at hot girls?

Just because something has happened for ages doesn't make it right. Societies change (e.g. we let women and the common man vote now).

(Also, not all men want gto look at hot girls)

Re: Car-sharing service HiGear shuts down due to theft of 4 cars worth $400,000

#110

I felt worse for these guys until I read to the end of the letter and found out about the "HiGear girls". It's not quite as bad as I thought because they don't seem to "rent out" these models like they do cars; I guess it was just a publicity thing. But still, having revealing pictures and even stats (measurements) of the women is pretty much the definition of objectification. FOLLOWUP (responding to comments): I'm n…

I wonder what your opinion is on baseball cards.

There isn't a history of baseball players being systematically repressed.

Also all baseball players chose to be baseball players, and can easily choose to leave and not be in the group of 'baseball players'. Not so with women.

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