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How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Go read the twitter files drops

I did and I’m missing the pressure. No one can seem to point it out too; when asked they either say “read the files”, or “when the FBI asks you to do anything it’s automatically a threat.” Still waiting for maybe a link to one of the tweets at least that people find so problematic.

I used to work for the FBI. Whenever I asked for something there was an understanding that it would happen.

When is a question not a question?

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Exactly. Contrarians have this utterly weird propensity to demand the "official" or "mainstream" opinion be perfectly accurate, while holding absolutely no standards for the other side of the debate. "Just asking questions", etc.

It is not unreasonable to demand the censor be 100% correct all the time while also not demanding all silenced opinions be equally valid. The burden when you will not allow others to spread their ideas is sheer perfection.

It's unreasonable, in that it's a standard that can (likely) ever be met.

When it comes to the state, I believe the reason we require such broad free speech protections is precisely because perfection can never be attained, and the state holds an unfair advantage in force, and in law.

But it's just hyperbolic nonsense to consider nearly any private company, let alone one with such marginal reach as Twitter, as possessing such a monopoly on information that they have to be treated the same as the state.

And it's transparently ideological when I see someone demand perfection from non-state sources while championing alternatives with records far worse.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Some lies are necessary. Put yourself in the shoes of a public health official. You just got home from shopping for groceries, and the whole toilet paper aisle was empty. You know very well that the same thing will happen with masks and other PPE needed by medical personnel if you tell the truth, and that this will likely result in an even-higher death toll. What do you do?

You tell the truth, because if you tell such an obvious lie it will reduce trust in all future public health announcements!

OK, you tell the truth. The same idiots who are still working their way through acres of hoarded TP buy up every mask they can find. Your local hospital can't get any. Now what?

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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I did and I’m missing the pressure. No one can seem to point it out too; when asked they either say “read the files”, or “when the FBI asks you to do anything it’s automatically a threat.” Still waiting for maybe a link to one of the tweets at least that people find so problematic.

I used to work for the FBI. Whenever I asked for something there was an understanding that it would happen. When is a question not a question?

Very curious about your perspective as you seem to be the only one so far here who has said they worked for the FBI. What role did you have?

Has anyone ever said "no" to a request? Were those requests lawful or were you asking others to do illegal things? If you did ever get a "no", was it your job or did you know of others whose job it was to exact revenge or to otherwise illegally coerce compliance?

According to the Twitter Files, Twitter itself said "no" to many requests. What was the ill-fate they met for saying "no" to the FBI?

The way I see it, when you're a multibillion, multinational corporation that has a very powerful board of directors and an experienced legal team, saying "no" to a request from FBI is not only an option, it likely will have zero consequences. Other massive companies are able to say "no" to the FBI and are still in business. Does "come back with a warrant" not do the trick anymore?

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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> Thing is, there wasn't that much of it before the CDC spent over a month spewing bullshit telling people not to wear masks because masks don't stop the spread of COVID. They made it clear after the fact that this was done because there wasn't an adequate supply of masks for 330M people, and they needed to secure a supply for first responders. The job of the government is to make tough decisions like this in times o…

From your article: > A better option, he says? Start with a two-layered cloth mask that has been washed, which gives it the capacity to filter better. If you want to go one step further in protection, use a KN95 mask, he says. So it isn’t like the suggested option is some esoteric thing that you need a 3M factory to make. “Single layers cloth masks don’t work” isn’t technically a lie but it omits that there was an al…

There’s a reason I linked the study. I agree they work.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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> Thing is, there wasn't that much of it before the CDC spent over a month spewing bullshit telling people not to wear masks because masks don't stop the spread of COVID. They made it clear after the fact that this was done because there wasn't an adequate supply of masks for 330M people, and they needed to secure a supply for first responders. The job of the government is to make tough decisions like this in times o…

> Single layer cloth masks do nothing. Really? If an infected person standing in front of you in a crowded room sneezes, you believe the risks would be unaffected by whether or not they were wearing a cloth mask? Whether their sneeze were blocked or droplets of spittle and mucus went spewing throughout the room, your exposure and that of people standing in distant parts of the room would be identical ? In general I h…

Into a single layer cloth mask correct it does nothing.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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A quick search finds literally dozens of articles in medical journals like these: Thrombotic complications are frequent in COVID-19 and contribute significantly to mortality and morbidity https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32857878/ One of the special characteristics of this disease is that it may predispose patients to thrombotic disease both in the venous and arterial circulation. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33719…

Which doesn't tie the problem to the spike protein or relate it to the vaccines.

Oh, it wasn't clear that that is what you meant. Thanks for elaborating in a sibling comment.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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OK, so here's the key bit: "Twitter executives did not fully capitulate to the Biden team’s wishes. An extensive review of internal communications at the company revealed that employees often debated moderation cases in great detail, and with more care for free speech than was shown by the government. ... But Twitter did suppress views—and not just those of journalists like Berenson. Many medical and public health pr…

The government shouldn't be doing that. Also, it's important to break down what is meant by "the government" here -- it was the FBI attempting to suppress a news story which later turned out to be true about the son of a candidate for president. That sort of thing should not happen. Secondly, this kind of moderation is counterproductive. It gives all the conspiracy theorists a true conspiracy to point to -- they real…

> it was the FBI attempting to suppress a news story which later turned out to be true about the son of a candidate for president. That sort of thing should not happen.

No, it wasn't. It was Bidens presidential campaign asking to remove revenge porn.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Do you have evidence that the earlier advice wasn’t responsible for mask reluctance later? Because when you tell people masks are ineffective, that’s a very very hard bell to unring, and indeed, many mask rejecters were citing those very same health officials. And why wouldn’t they? Those are the trusted authorities! Of course there was a mask shortage. But like the others said, the correct way to fight a toilet pape…

Well no I don't have evidence of that. On the contrary I know for a fact it did, but that's not a necessary premise for my position. Again, CDC did not say masks aren't effective. They said we don't know if they are. This was and largely remains true. For your other solutions, you think instituting a nationwide rationing system was a more accessible solution than saying "we don't know if they work [true] and medical…

>Again, CDC did not say masks aren't effective. They said we don't know if they are. This was and largely remains true.

Like I said, it was "true" only in the sense that "we don't know if parachutes work [to save you're life in freefall from an aircraft]", which is to say, it's criminally bad to communicate that as your advice, given the costs and benefits to the user. There was no great shift in evidence that caused the CDC's change in advice, only a change in which way they wanted to clumsily manipulate the public.

>"Has foreseeable negative consequences" != "is stupid," especially in emergency scenarios where you're picking between bad options and worse ones.

Correct, and the path they took foreseeably led to the worse ones rather than the mere bad ones. The few people who correctly saw through the CDC advice still hoarded masks, still made up for the non-buying of those who nobly held back (it only takes a few hoarders to exhaust the supply), and health care providers still saw the very same shortage ... it's just that now, they have to walk back the advice against mask-wearing and suddenly pretend the evidence became ultra-strong overnight, even though half the public has made the earlier statements their hill-to-die-on, and we missed a very large window in which we could have been advising people to make good-enough ad hoc masks.

In what world is that the less-bad outcome? Or somehow not foreseeable that the public might actually believe you when you lie about your position on masks?

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