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Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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I ask myself if there actually was an information warfare operation underway, how different would it look?

That is a valid question. I wished it wasn't. But here we are. I think that unless someone in the know spills the beans (with proof) this is going to be extremely difficult to determine.

Can you explain what you mean by information warfare? Do you mean someone is tweeting on his behalf?

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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> or become a takeover candidate. Why tho? It’s not like they’re really good cars, the build quality is sub-par, as you note the brand has really suffered, the home-grown tech would be difficult to integrate, and the automation a liability. The supercharger network seems like the major asset someone might be interested in. And secondary would be a pretty strong software team as historic manufacturers have had a hard…

They are really good cars actually (FSD Bulls** excluded)

> They are really good cars actually (FSD Bulls* excluded)

They're not tho, the materials, QA, and fit and finish is absolutely garbage, has been for years, and apparently it's getting worse (https://youtu.be/kIW4moIM0zM).

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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Provocative nonsense has worked for Musk up till now. He got billions of dollars worth of free media coverage from his antics. And after all of it, here we are still talking about Elon, Tesla, and Twitter.

Musk’s provocative nonsense was a major reason why I didn’t consider leasing a Tesla earlier this year when I was in the market for an EV. I don’t think I’m the only one who feels this way.

What EV did you choose instead? They are all so terrible by comparison when it comes to range and charging infra that it’s hard to go elsewhere. I don’t like Tesla because of the lack of CarPlay, etc and the tight attachment to their central servers but can’t find a reasonable alternative yet.

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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Each of these points are false in my opinion but I genuinely do not understand why you think I'd continue to engage with you after you condescend with that ludicrious 'garbage in garbage out' comment?

The fact this was upvoted despite that makes me feel like returning to commenting very infrequently is the right choice.

Hope you have a nice day.

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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I just finished reading the Twitter files.. can you politely, if that's possible for you, show me specific examples of what you claimed violations of 1st and 4th amendments??

FBI warned Twitter about Russian adversarial actions, which is known and documented by anyone not blinded by their made in China maga hats

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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I would agree on this one, but his pro-Putin / anti-American policy towards Ukraine is the context here. Plus he loves to troll the U.S. Gov (particularly the Dems) who literally made his life as a billionaire possible by funding him with billion to create Tesla when he was still basically "poor". He would be nothing without liberals who created the electric car incentive programs and EV loan programs, yet he trashes…

> but his pro-Putin / anti-American policy towards Ukraine What an absurd characterization. Don’t you have something better to do than wake up and post lies on the internet? He said they should negotiate an end to the war, that’s not “pro-putin”. It really bothers me when people like yourself post these blatantly false statements, and I can’t say I’m surprised this post is still up/not flagged.

He specifically proposed terms friendly to Russia

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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Of course, they are? If Russia can hack SpaceX's systems and divert them to ensure they do not provide service over Ukraine, why wouldn't they? Or brick all terminals by sending a malicious update? Similarly, dealing with electromagnetic interference. Thinking Russia is completely benign would be an incredibly naive take. Or simply blinded by Musk hate. This experience has allowed them to launch "Starshield", but it…

> If Russia can hack SpaceX's systems and divert them to ensure they do not provide service over Ukraine, why wouldn't they? That didn't happen as far as I know. > Or brick all terminals by sending a malicious update? That didn't happen either. > Similarly, dealing with electromagnetic interference. For which there is no evidence at all, in fact the only reason Starlink ever suffered an outage was for reasons which h…

> For which there is no evidence at all

https://www.pcmag.com/news/pentagon-impressed-by-starlinks-f...

Are you in the denial phase or the ignorance one? If the former, why would the government take part in a conspiracy to pretend that Starlink didn’t require special support to work in that environment? If the latter, why would you even boldly claim “there is no evidence at all” without even doing a cursory search?

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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Yea, the predictions of someone driven by passion (in this case, a passionate dislike of Musk it appears) probably aren't great in general. But, below $100 seems reasonable - the stock could still be considered 'overpriced' in the current market (at least by P/E).

There's really not much to drive sales for 2023 either. Was watching a summary of new EVs for the year and I'll give him credit on the "jet powered" roadster as very cool, but all the new exciting EVs for the average consumer are coming from GM, Ford, BMW, Toyota (with a very interesting Hydrogen powered offering which is technology I had no idea was even this developed) and a few other smaller startups. I think Ford…

The F150 Lightning has been terrible so far as a truck replacement. If you treat it as an oversized car it works (and many Americans do), but put any load on it and the range plummets to useless outside of small city runs.

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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> If Russia can hack SpaceX's systems and divert them to ensure they do not provide service over Ukraine, why wouldn't they? That didn't happen as far as I know. > Or brick all terminals by sending a malicious update? That didn't happen either. > Similarly, dealing with electromagnetic interference. For which there is no evidence at all, in fact the only reason Starlink ever suffered an outage was for reasons which h…

> For which there is no evidence at all https://www.pcmag.com/news/pentagon-impressed-by-starlinks-f... Are you in the denial phase or the ignorance one? If the former, why would the government take part in a conspiracy to pretend that Starlink didn’t require special support to work in that environment? If the latter, why would you even boldly claim “there is no evidence at all” without even doing a cursory search?

Operating a receiver in a warzone is always going to be tricky, and operating a transmitter even more so because it might give your opponent targeting information (and that includes jammers, which you really don't want to leave sitting around for too long or artillery will find them for sure).

The fact is: the Russians have to date been unsuccessful in suppressing Starlink signals, for a variety of reasons including some countermeasures.

But let's not pretend that the main cost is in that aspect of operating the service. The main cost is in making and launching the satellites and once those costs have been sunk further use of the system assuming the terminals are bought and paid for.

As time goes on and parties are getting more inventive likely there will be some more defenses against countermeasures. But a LEO based satellite system has a number of advantages over a GEO based one and those operate in war zones all the time. Hacks of Starlink satellites and terminals have - afaik - not happened.

GGGP claimed: "The expensive part is not the terminals, it is providing continuous reliable service in a hostile environment with a determined adversary." -> I see no evidence for that. It is a cost, but not the cost.

Note that Elon has a vested interest in making it appear as though he is spending a lot of money on keeping Starlink online in Ukraine, personally I would not put it past him to inflate those costs.

Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years

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I've had a Model 3 since 2018. You can see earlier in the thread that I am not a raging Musk fan, in particular of his public behaviour over the last few years. But a couple of these concerns are may be just because of the short experience renting? Door handles: for the first week or so they seemed awkward, but I've been opening with a single hand ever since. The design is very similar to various exotic sports cars -…

Why would someone buy a car that gave a bad experience when rented, on any point? I would think that "renting bad" would be a huge problem for sales.

Because tons of people buy cars without renting them. I can think of maybe one acquaintance that did that. Renting is nearly as superficial as a test drive and pales in comparison to reading reviews from professional reviews and owners.
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