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US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by IncRnd »

bee_rider wrote: post #183
IncRnd wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that wasn't a serious comment, saying that federal government agencies follow their mandates and never break the law. PS I see that you have edited your comment to add a link, https://www.aclu.org/other/nsa-spying-americans-illegal . That link shows that the government illegally spys on citizens, which is the opposite of what you meant to show.

Why break the law to spy on Americans? We give all our private information out to any website that asks and shout out political opinions out into the void on Twitter. Just buy the list of people really interested in fertilizer and not farming from some data broker. Totally legal private sector transaction!

I'm not sure what you are asking or why. See the start of this thread, where the Snowden revelations were mentioned.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

LarryMullins wrote: post #135
epolanski wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would we have to give two damns about American demands, I don't see that having any chance.

Even if you're certain America today and into the indeterminate future has no leverage over your country, can't subvert your elections, bribe or blackmail your politicians, threaten sanctions or worse, then you still have to worry about American spies simply stealing that data. Such private data should never be collected in the first place. You may as well stack up gold bars in your home, in plain view of street-leve…

I live in America and I'm not convinced that America has leverage over my country. The steering wheel on this thing appears to be broken..

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

LarryMullins wrote: post #135
epolanski wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would we have to give two damns about American demands, I don't see that having any chance.

Even if you're certain America today and into the indeterminate future has no leverage over your country, can't subvert your elections, bribe or blackmail your politicians, threaten sanctions or worse, then you still have to worry about American spies simply stealing that data. Such private data should never be collected in the first place. You may as well stack up gold bars in your home, in plain view of street-leve…

I live in America and I'm not convinced that America has leverage over my country. The steering wheel on this thing appears to be broken.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by astrange »

LarryMullins wrote: post #77

Whether it's good local privacy laws in your country or a good privacy-respecting TOS from a company, both are basically worthless when a bigger entity comes barging into the picture. So your government collects biometric data but passes laws promising not to misuse it... you may very well find that those promises are worth less than dirt when a country with leverage over your own starts making demands that your gove…

Google and Facebook are both very good at protecting your personal info. Their business value is based on nobody else having it. Their security teams are much better at their job of protecting it than, say, you are.

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Post by filiphorvat »

EGreg wrote: post #88
bombolo wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean USA won't misuse this data?

We have had the Five Eyes and ECHELON for decades. Since before the Snowden revelations. How is this different? They don’t spy on their own citizens but they exchange info with the other spy agencies, so…

>We have had the Five Eyes and ECHELON for decades. Since before the Snowden revelations. How is this different?

Because the EU is not part of either?

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by tpush »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #143
epolanski wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would we have to give two damns about American demands, I don't see that having any chance.

I get the sense you do not quite understand how much essentially all of Europe is a vassal state of the group of people that also has a stranglehold on America.

> [...] group of people [...]

What group of people are controlling everything? Please don't let it be Jews...

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by sfusato »

RandomLensman wrote: post #210
sfusato wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, so what for are the US military bases on European soil then? (Please spare me the part about protecting Europe from outside threats story). Would they leave if we asked nicely enough? Like Pretty please ? Would it really take just that?

They probably would, and a lot of US forces left after the end of the old cold war. Right now, not sure a majority/the median voter in Europe actually wants the US to leave, though.

I want to believe you they would, but I wasn't born yesterday. I'm within less than 2-hours drive from two such US military bases that have nuclear weapons deployed there. US military bases are considered US soil de-facto, they don't need to ask permission to do anything. They can launch an attack on anyone without consulting first with the host country. Yet, on paper, we're sovereign.

They've been plenty of protests in Europe over this matter this year, but they won't show them on CNN, that's for sure.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by omgomgomgomg »

cm2187 wrote: post #99
nixgeek wrote: post #21

Probably the most interesting part of this is if states don’t integrate by 2027 they will no longer be eligible for the Visa Waiver Program (VWP). That adds a lot of friction for citizens of that state to travel to the U.S. for any reason.

To be honest I am already avoiding to travel to the US as much as I can. No appetite for hours of queues at security and passport controls. Their airports are worst than many third world countries.

I remember when I went to the UK for the first time, I knew the language, but was never confronted live with a London accent. I did not know the postal code system(every little borough out there belongs to London, but has zones and postal codes) , nor did I know the public transport options.

I simply went there to visit a friend which had moved there, that is all.

So just before the transit area after coming off the plane, a ginger and a brown haired fellow stopped me and started asking questions, without showing a badge or identifying themselves. They were plain clothed officers, guessing they are police was rather easy, they had very bad choice of çlothing style. So they ask where are you going and why. Purpose of stay and lenght, how will you get there and blabla, many follow up questions. Do you have a return ticket, whats her name.

I told them, thats your job to find out and I intend to travel by cab, am I good to go now.

They let me go on my way.

This is the kinda people who will be dealing with our data, hell no.

I will fill out whatever if I ever wanna go to the us, but I prefer to not hand over any data upfront.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by lstodd »

sfusato wrote: post #158
quantum_state wrote: post #110

hope it should be clear by now Europe needs to stand on its own on all things …

2022 should have been a wake up call on that, but it seems our bureaucrats are still sleeping in Bruxelles.

Of course they are sleeping there, the question is - with whom, and how much coke is consumed per night. Gimme that biometric data... oh wait, it's all out there already.

/s :~(

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Post by astrange »

survirtual wrote: post #173
LarryMullins wrote: post #77

Whether it's good local privacy laws in your country or a good privacy-respecting TOS from a company, both are basically worthless when a bigger entity comes barging into the picture. So your government collects biometric data but passes laws promising not to misuse it... you may very well find that those promises are worth less than dirt when a country with leverage over your own starts making demands that your gove…

This is very correct. However, I would amend your solution: the solution is modern encryption and open source. These two in conjunction allow you to verify trust. ToS is like HR: they both exist to protect only the company.

> ToS is like HR: they both exist to protect only the company.

This is, of course, not true about HR and yet another thing people just say to sound cool.

HR’s job is to hire people and run your payroll and benefits. If you have a health insurance question are you going to avoid them because they’re going to fire you as soon as you look at them? No.

If you’re a first level manager molesting a distinguished engineer are you totally safe from HR because you’re “the company”? No.

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