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US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

#22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What distinction would you draw between these two groups of data?

Intrusively versus non-intrusively acquired? It's just a feeling I have and I don't think that I'm alone on this.

And you think obtaining a hair sample is somehow intrusive?

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

#23
One question that always seems to be unclear and insufficiently negotiated is reciprocity. What is the US going to offer in return. If they do offer to reciprocate, it actually needs to be delivered before the deal is live.

That said, I think it is a shitty deal for these leaky, insecure, bad faith entities to be able to negotiate off to the side with our sensitive personal data like this.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

#24

Say no and hang up. If they start something, respond in kind, and ask our allied countries to stand united. The US needs the world far, far more than the world needs the US, and it's time the world realizes this. Forcing this nation of war-criminals and foreign policy bullies in line is long overdue.

As a US citizen, I whole heartedly agree, and I assume our government would do the same.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

#25
How would the US react to the same request from EU's police? Would they give direct access to their people's biometric data?

Conversely, what would the EU do if that same request came from another nation instead of the USA? What about Brazil, Japan, China?

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

#27

Say no and hang up. If they start something, respond in kind, and ask our allied countries to stand united. The US needs the world far, far more than the world needs the US, and it's time the world realizes this. Forcing this nation of war-criminals and foreign policy bullies in line is long overdue.

It is possible that you are missing a developing new axis of powers forming, which is part of the reason why those policies are slowly being implemented. As a globe, we are being divided into spheres of influence and US/EU happens to be one of those.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

#28
I sincerely hope that the EU will give the appropriate but unprintable response to this request. At the time the biometric data was first collected plenty of people warned about this exact thing and we were repeatedly assured that it would never happen. Let's see if that is still true today. Never is such a long time...

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

#29

I sincerely hope that the EU will give the appropriate but unprintable response to this request. At the time the biometric data was first collected plenty of people warned about this exact thing and we were repeatedly assured that it would never happen. Let's see if that is still true today. Never is such a long time...

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Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

#30
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I think it is vital we continue to discuss it here, but at the same time my conversations with my extended family show that people overall do not share my concerns over these at all. I do not get upset, because coming from a former soviet union country, I am trying hard to understand their frame of mind ( partially to see if there is a way to counter it ) and lot of it seems to a result from a deep trust in the syste…

It's not even your own government institutions, it's another totally separate government asking for your biometric data.

Disclaimer: I’m totally against any normalization of the collection/sharing of biometric data. But just to play Devil’s Advocate:

Let’s say I’m a boring white midwestern HVAC contractor with a mortgage and 2.5 kids. Big Bad China acquires a picture of my face and my fingerprints. Also my DNA, why not, just for argument’s sake! I never plan to visit China. How does this biometric sharing affect me, my rights, my safety, monetarily or otherwise? Connect the dots for me because it’s hard for me to argue the privacy angle if I can’t even explain the danger of a simple scenario like this.

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