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Wait, you guys know that was a joke, right? Is it okay to not do due diligence on claims because we don’t like a guy? (Which isn’t to say it makes the market feel better, but come on…)
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Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years
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Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years
#172I was not interested in the stock at the highs. I am buying as much as I can currently at this level. Musk has always been a wild card but he can deliver. I wish he had not bought Twitter but it doesn't really change my outlook on Tesla, SpaceX or long-term the boring company. Most of the freak out over Musk is just the left's anger over his views. I just ignore it. Dude is eccentric.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Funny enough I think it's actually undervalued now. Tesla has bought up all the mining rights for the minerals required to ramp up battery production and will likely be the only EV manufacturer that's not supply constrained for the next decade. I'm still not bought in yet, probably a lot more room for it to crater.
I don't really believe this narrative. Mineral rights are so easily effected by geopolitics the "rights" they have brought could easily be worthless in two years time. I'm also unconvinced that we should be 100% in on only lithium for BEVs, it's important to have multiple technologies. Just look as traditional ICE cars, we have Petrol and Diesel. I see Lithium as the Petrol of BEVs, what's the Diesel going to be?
Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
For a time it was considered propaganda to push for peace. It was truly bizarro. Then a few weeks later regime approved voices said we should consider peace and it was no longer considered propaganda.
"Pushing for peace" doesn't mean anything. It could mean to push for an unconditional surrender of Ukraine, or for an unconditional withdrawal of Russian troops, or anything in between. The fact that you use this phrase along with the term "regime" tells me that you're a either a Russian propagandist or a someone who has been misled by Russian propaganda.
People who oppose war were discredited by the regime then and they are being discreted today. News at 11.
Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years
#175I recently considered purchasing a Tesla Plaid, but ultimately decided against it because I did not want to indirectly support Elon Musk. Instead, I purchased a Porsche. I was in the market for a Luxury car - not necessarily an EV.
I used to be a big fan of Musk so much so that I wore the t-shirt ("Occupy Mars.") But, his opinions have become too personally problematic for me to feel comfortable supporting him. I mean it and want that to be absorbed, so I will say it again. His /personal opinions/ have become /too personally problematic/ for me as a consumer to feel comfortable supporting him. I have a personal boycott against him, if you will. I will do away with my Starlink just as soon as Amazon gets Kuiper online.
I am concerned that others may feel the same way, which could make it difficult for him to attract and hire talented people. It is unfortunate because I could always see the ~potential~ of Twitter under a visionary capitalist. You see, I am/was also Twitter's biggest fan, I am user-id 11,647 from 2006. I don't know that he can hire the right people, now, to meet that potential. I envision a platform that serves as a forum, creators' storefront, and a place for fans to subscribe and tip content creators. Twitter could grow a lot of these barely tapped markets. With the right moves on the chess-board, I have no doubt in my mind Twitter could rapidly become one of the top three mobile wallets if the cards were played correctly. There are so many ways for Twitter to become an old-fashioned business that takes cash from it's customers which would allow it to diversify out of the advertisement revenue. This would meet his goal of Twitter being a public square for its users not one that is required to appease it's advertisers. It would also ensure the continuity of Twitter. But, I am not convinced he can get THERE from HERE if others feel the same way I do.
Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years
#176From https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1607719007892738050 , written while Tesla was at $123.15: While the markets have been closed, two major stories about Tesla have broken. A. Tesla is shutting down factories because demand is plummeting. B. Musk praised a truly insane Russian propaganda tweet, predicting the fall of the west She expects Tesla to fall below $100 by 1/1. It seems notable that the price of used T…
Why I won't buy a Tesla (as of today) even though they are amazing. I rented a model Y, and the ride, fit, finish, comfort, speed, venting is super cool, charging, range, power/speed settings that affect drive experience, all _amazing_ ... but... (no particular order) - Door handles SUCK, open the wrong way and often require TWO hands. (I am not old/feeble) - Unlocking the door SUCKS. You have to tap the key card mul…
But a couple of these concerns are may be just because of the short experience renting?
Door handles: for the first week or so they seemed awkward, but I've been opening with a single hand ever since. The design is very similar to various exotic sports cars - and not well suited to a midpriced daily driver. Tradeoffs for aero, I think.
Unlocking and locking: bad experience on a rental with the card. As an owner, it locks and unlocks based on the phone-key automatically in daily use. I tried the key card a couple of times in the first month to understand how it worked - it's great as a backup key that fits in a wallet.
Touchscreen: I've used the touch UI in various brands of recent cars, and find the Tesla experience by far the best. Though I agree another $50 worth of physical buttons for the most commonly used features would be nice.
Steering wheel controls: after a few weeks you remember what they do and the physical minimalism is totally fine. Design optimized for owners, at the expense of renters.
Lane controls: there are about a dozen switches that control this behavior. It can be incredibly annoying, or no problem at all. Sounds like the defaults nowadays (or what the rental place sets) are awful, since as configured it ensured you won't buy one.
Price: they're selling all they can make at the price the market will bear. Would be nice if it was lower. Many industry watchers predict lower prices are all brands in 2023.
Fortunately it's a big industry, there are now some great electric cars competing with very different dashboards. I like variety, I'll pick a different one when I am ready to trade in.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
For a time it was considered propaganda to push for peace. It was truly bizarro. Then a few weeks later regime approved voices said we should consider peace and it was no longer considered propaganda.
He pushed for Ukrainian territory to be formally ceded to Russia after they occupied it by force and violence. His "peace plan" was then enthusiastically praised by Kremlin propaganda. It seems his push for peace is always one sided in that all his ridiculous plans end with Russia being rewarded for aggression and Ukraine losing territory.
Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years
#178I was not interested in the stock at the highs. I am buying as much as I can currently at this level. Musk has always been a wild card but he can deliver. I wish he had not bought Twitter but it doesn't really change my outlook on Tesla, SpaceX or long-term the boring company. Most of the freak out over Musk is just the left's anger over his views. I just ignore it. Dude is eccentric.
Yeah, obviously alienating the target market for your company will destroy your deliveries and your stock price. Shanghai factory is currently shut down and it will continue the shutdown also in January. The cars are currently sold with a 7500$ discount in US and in other countries. If you think that the carbon-loving maga hats are going to buy EVs you will be nicely surprised in the next months.
Side note, so far the deliveries have been fine. Will have to wait and see on how Q4 went.
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Re: Tesla stock falls again, toward longest losing streak in more than 4 years
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It appeared to many observers that Musk was mocking the Russian propaganda, he then made the mockery explicit later. I don't understand the thesis that Musk is somehow pro-Russia. Generally his ventures are against Russia interests: SpaceX, launched in the aftermath of Russia being uninterested in selling a leftover rocket to Musk, now dominates the launch industry to the detriment of Russia, among other things halti…
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