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Iranian women compete at chess tournament without hijab: media reports

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Re: Iranian women compete at chess tournament without hijab: media reports

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Post by exabrial »

ameen wrote: post #14
obituary_latte wrote: post #7

I feel proud as a human to see these brave women standing up for their rights and wish them and their fellow countrypeople all of the success with no bloodshed. It's time we move out of the age of religious compulsion on all fronts.

Funny thing is, as a practicing muslim - there is no compulsion in religion (direct quote from the Qur'an). Iran literally is using the ignorance of the populace to push their own means of controlling the masses.

Precisely. Will of man vs will of God.

The same thing is repeated all over the world unfortunately with other religious faiths.

Re: Iranian women compete at chess tournament without hijab: media reports

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Post by KunafaPizza »

Seeing a lot of people here saying wearing hijab is a free-choice in Islam. As a Muslim this is totally wrong. Religion is not just "I believe in God" and now I can do whatever I want. There are rules and regulations that must be followed in private and public life. This is how Islam has always worked.

Traditionally, the Islamic government legislates and enjoins these rules upon the people. Hijab is one of those rules. From our perspective there is no logical difference between this and Western dress codes in public.

The reason people find a problem with this whole Iran/Hijab thing is not because Women are being compelled to wear it. This wouldn't make sense because governments force things on us all the time.

The real reason is that they hate the hijab. To them, the hijab is oppressive, a sign of patriarchy, a sick form of sexual repression. I mean why else are women protesting in the streets because of it? Surely it must be a symbol of oppression that is finally finding expression in public? Right?

This is a much more sensible reason for us. The haters of Islam have always been running their mouths. They have never made a difference to us Muslims.

Re: Iranian women compete at chess tournament without hijab: media reports

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Post by sorenjan »

KunafaPizza wrote: post #42

Seeing a lot of people here saying wearing hijab is a free-choice in Islam. As a Muslim this is totally wrong. Religion is not just "I believe in God" and now I can do whatever I want. There are rules and regulations that must be followed in private and public life. This is how Islam has always worked. Traditionally, the Islamic government legislates and enjoins these rules upon the people. Hijab is one of those rule…

What kind of dress codes are there for muslim men? I regularly see muslim immigrant families in the summer where the man wears shorts and no shirt, and the woman wears a long black fully covering fabric. And young daughters maybe six years old with hijab.

Re: Iranian women compete at chess tournament without hijab: media reports

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Post by KunafaPizza »

sorenjan wrote: post #43
KunafaPizza wrote: post #42

Seeing a lot of people here saying wearing hijab is a free-choice in Islam. As a Muslim this is totally wrong. Religion is not just "I believe in God" and now I can do whatever I want. There are rules and regulations that must be followed in private and public life. This is how Islam has always worked. Traditionally, the Islamic government legislates and enjoins these rules upon the people. Hijab is one of those rule…

What kind of dress codes are there for muslim men? I regularly see muslim immigrant families in the summer where the man wears shorts and no shirt, and the woman wears a long black fully covering fabric. And young daughters maybe six years old with hijab.

Men = generally the navel to the knee must be covered.

> And young daughters maybe six years old with hijab.

To encourage them to wear it, get them accustomed to it. Its not required for them.

Again if someone's knee-jerk reaction to that is "oh my God you are indoctrinating little children who are so innocent, this is child abuse!!!" then I want them to know THAT IS OKAY for them to believe.

Like I said above, hatred of Islam and its public expression is something we are used to.

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Post by u801e »

KunafaPizza wrote: post #42

Seeing a lot of people here saying wearing hijab is a free-choice in Islam. As a Muslim this is totally wrong. Religion is not just "I believe in God" and now I can do whatever I want. There are rules and regulations that must be followed in private and public life. This is how Islam has always worked. Traditionally, the Islamic government legislates and enjoins these rules upon the people. Hijab is one of those rule…

As another Muslim, my view is that clothing that attracts attention of others doesn't fulfill the purpose of hijab. So, if you're the only one wearing a head covering, people are going to pay unnecessary attention to you. The same applies if you're the only one not wearing one.

Basically, as long as you're not dressing in a way that attracts attention to yourself, then you're fulfilling the purpose of hijab.

Re: Iranian women compete at chess tournament without hijab: media reports

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Post by credit_guy »

KunafaPizza wrote: post #42

Seeing a lot of people here saying wearing hijab is a free-choice in Islam. As a Muslim this is totally wrong. Religion is not just "I believe in God" and now I can do whatever I want. There are rules and regulations that must be followed in private and public life. This is how Islam has always worked. Traditionally, the Islamic government legislates and enjoins these rules upon the people. Hijab is one of those rule…

Your point is not quite clear. What I was able to gather is that you are Muslim.

Considering that you are spending the effort to write a comment on HN, I guess you are trying to argue for some position. Being Muslim, you have an insider view on the topic, and I'm very curious to see it.

What should my takeaway be?

I'm genuinely confused by your statements. The way I read it, when you ask "Right?", the prior sentence must be sarcastic. Is it? If so, what should the non-sarcastic explanation be?

Re: Iranian women compete at chess tournament without hijab: media reports

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Post by chongli »

KunafaPizza wrote: post #42

Seeing a lot of people here saying wearing hijab is a free-choice in Islam. As a Muslim this is totally wrong. Religion is not just "I believe in God" and now I can do whatever I want. There are rules and regulations that must be followed in private and public life. This is how Islam has always worked. Traditionally, the Islamic government legislates and enjoins these rules upon the people. Hijab is one of those rule…

A woman was killed by the morality police for not wearing her hijab. Where in the Koran does it say that the punishment for not wearing the hijab is death?

The reason women are protesting in Iran is not because they hate Islam. They’re protesting against an unaccountable and corrupt dictatorship which acts only in its own interests, not in the interest of upholding a fair and just Islamic society.

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