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Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by zirgs »

bardan wrote: post #160
usui wrote: post #16

> So I pirate the movie (please don't arrest me, it's google's fault) I really like the frank tone of the article and I wish people in general would just write unabashedly more often when it comes to stuff like this. Writers online love to dance around the idea of "pirating" their digital goods when communicating on the topic: "Ooh my 'friend' may or may not have downloaded 'xyz' movie from 'abc' website, but I don't…

Unless you are buying physical media, tbe only way you can actually own something today is to pirate it.

Sites like GOG provide you with DRM free installers of all their games - you can backup those wherever you want.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by P5fRxh5kUvp2th »

usui wrote: post #16

> So I pirate the movie (please don't arrest me, it's google's fault) I really like the frank tone of the article and I wish people in general would just write unabashedly more often when it comes to stuff like this. Writers online love to dance around the idea of "pirating" their digital goods when communicating on the topic: "Ooh my 'friend' may or may not have downloaded 'xyz' movie from 'abc' website, but I don't…

I don't buy games from online unless there's no other alternative and I don't care. Usually it's some small, silly game I'm playing with my gf. But for everything _I_ want, it's physical medium, only. If sony or nintendo ever release a console that has no ability to use physical media, I will not purchase it. I say this because I believe nintendo has a version of the switch that has no ability to play physical media. I'm ok with different versions like that, I'm not ok with not being able to purchase a version that uses physical media.

Same with music, I have a huge music collection. A lot of them are pirated, many of them are FLAC rips from physical discs.

The _ONE_ exception I have to this is movies on Amazon. I'm not a huge movie/television guy but I _DO_ consume most of that type of media via Amazon Prime and Netflix. If something goes away I generally don't care, and if I _DO_ care I either already have physical copies or I know I can purchase them. So I will sometimes purchase this type of media on Amazon because I find the convenience acceptable considering the risk. Sometimes I'll repurchase on Amazon for things I physically own just for the convenience of it.

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But yeah, pirating is going to become rampant again due to the behavior of these companies. I certainly have no qualms about doing it.

Generally speaking, if I want to watch a show and it's been pulled off of netflix or prime for some other service (HBO, CBS, etc) I just pirate it and move on.

I haven't watched past the last season of Survivor that's available on Amazon because I don't care enough to pirate it, but when I do decide I want to watch through the rest of it, that's how I'll consume it.

And fuck'em. You can't even _BUY_ the latest seasons on Amazon (my gf was purchasing them as she watched through them until they stopped offering it at all).

You don't want my money, then you don't want my money.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by jfoster »

lozenge wrote: post #94
jfoster wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feels like there should be a precedent along these lines by now. Do these cases get settled so commonly that none covering this type of case have been ruled on yet?

What constitutes this "type of case" and are you confident a judge won't create a new distinction separating this one from previous ones? The most famous case decided in consumers' favor was about recording tapes from TV broadcasts to watch at a different time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Uni... .

You can make the argument that any precedent might not apply to a new case due to a distinction being made. The nature of precedents seems to be that they are a set of basic facts, a judgement, and only a guide as to how future cases might be considered. Of course every case is unique in some ways that may or may not matter.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by P5fRxh5kUvp2th »

notpushkin wrote: post #209
gorgoiler wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you pirate something for which you’ve already bought a license, is it even pirating? If the license is for a particular set of bits then unless you are pirating those exact bits I guess so. You licensed Lemonade.drm.mp4 so downloading Lemonade.mp3 is pirating. But then again it’s not pirating to re encode your audio files once you’ve downloaded them. So I feel more confident in saying it’s not the bits that are li…

“Emulators community” have a partucularly peculiar take on that by the way. Current gen emulator developers usually say you should rip your own ROMs from the physical media instead of just downloading them from torrents (even if you have the disc/cartridge on hand). I don't think anybody's actually doing that, but discussing downloads is banned on official channels.

It's the law in the US.

You can RIP copyrighted content of physical media you own for backup purposes, but you cannot share it.

This is why ripping a music CD you own is perfectly legal, but if you upload it that is not legal, nor is downloading it from someone elses upload.

Some people in the emulation community do actually adhere to this, but the vast majority do not, as you noted.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by nrvn »

I am surprised that in 2020-s people still complain about subscription services.

Remember:

- you pay once for a single item - you own.

- you pay on a regular basis to access multiple items - you don’t.

As simple as that. The pre-internet model is a book library. You pay a small monthly fee for the right to borrow books subject to some rules and limitations. You don't own them but on the other hand you have access to a huge collection of resources owned by someone else.

Same story with all the music and video streaming services. Someone owns a huge collection of media and you can buy access to this collection if you pay a relatively small regular fee.

If you really want to own stuff then you need to invest a substantial amount of time and money into organizing your own library or collection of music, video, books or whatever else you are passionate about.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by P5fRxh5kUvp2th »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #265
ryantgtg wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article doesn’t express that Google is _solely_ responsible for the destruction of the concept of ownership. That statement isn’t inaccurate. It’s perfectly reasonable to be bothered by the fact that their setup worked fine for years and then stopped working for no good reason. It sounds like you’ve “heard it before” and don’t care to hear it again. Remember that this is grandma’s setup. Sure, there are alternati…

I am not under the impression that is what happened here. It sounds like a DRM sucks period rant that someone uses Google as a scapegoat and encourages like-minded Google haters to air their grievances about wanting to quit Google. Like I said, there are a lot of reasons to dislike Google but this post sounds like a misguided complaint. The issue likely could have been solved and maybe entirely be attributed to user…

you're free to interpret it that way, but that certainly wasn't my interpretation.

I wonder if it's a generational thing where those of us who are old enough to remember when streaming wasn't a thing don't find it acceptable because companies didn't used to be able to treat us this way. Once the physical media was in our hands it was ours and if it randomly stopped working it was generally duo to a physical problem we had a hand in.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by zirgs »

f1refly wrote: post #210
kelnos wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've not pirated games since I was a teenager, because Steam is such a good service, and I'm happy to pay for games. I'm happy to pay for games too, but I've stopped buying from Steam unless they're not available elsewhere. GOG has been my go-to, as they only sell games without DRM. If Valve someday goes belly-up, or just decides to stop running their license servers, all those games we've bought on Steam are just…

The key point for me with valve is their ongoing efforts to make software they license to me easier for me to use. This is completely opposed to the rest of the media industry, who are working exclusively to make my experience worse. Thanks to valves efforts I can now easily run many games that would've been windows only a few years ago.

Valve also currently sells the best handheld console on the market.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by encryptluks2 »

P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #276
encryptluks2 wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not under the impression that is what happened here. It sounds like a DRM sucks period rant that someone uses Google as a scapegoat and encourages like-minded Google haters to air their grievances about wanting to quit Google. Like I said, there are a lot of reasons to dislike Google but this post sounds like a misguided complaint. The issue likely could have been solved and maybe entirely be attributed to user…

you're free to interpret it that way, but that certainly wasn't my interpretation. I wonder if it's a generational thing where those of us who are old enough to remember when streaming wasn't a thing don't find it acceptable because companies didn't used to be able to treat us this way. Once the physical media was in our hands it was ours and if it randomly stopped working it was generally duo to a physical problem w…

I remember that and still advocate for it. I'm just surprised that the issue was directed at Google and not DRM in general.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by Beestie »

The film will be in the public domain in about 12 years. I don't advocate piracy but wouldn't exactly lose sleep over "pirating" an 80-year old movie that you already paid for but for which your fair use was denied.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by zirgs »

gundamdoubleO wrote: post #10

I'm always reminded of Gabe Newell's quote on piracy[1]: >Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem And by in large I still agree with it. For me I've only ever turned to piracy when the legitimate service has become a complete mess of red tape and user frustration. [1] https://www.escapistmagazine.com/valves-gabe-newell-says-pir...

Also these days with ransomware, crypto miners, botnets and other crap like that it's insane to run random *.exe files on your computer. Especially if you also doing stuff like online banking on it.

It's simply not worth the risk. And games that I want will be on sale sooner or later anyway.

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