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How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Yeah see people say all this but the actual example they use is a thing that didn’t happen. The nuanced, correct message was that we don’t know if masks work. That’s what they said. What you heard was “masks don’t work.” So what we actually learned is that people are not capable of receiving nuanced messages, at least among the people who are pissed off about not having received a nuanced message (which they did).

So they still don't know if masks work? Can we get a concrete answer on this at some point? It seems like this type of back and forth messaging is the problem. Maybe we should all apologize to people who questioned the need to wear masks if we still don't know whether or not they're effective.

Correct, we still do not really know whether masks at a population level tend to reduce transmission. A big, big part of the problem is that it’s very hard to know how many people are wearing masks, how consistently, whether they change their behavior when they do, etc etc.

What we probably know is that if 100% of the population wore masks 100% correctly 100% of the time and kept 100% of their prior behavior, it would probably reduce transmission more than 0% for some pathogens.

This is another way of saying, “we don’t really know,” and it gives you an idea of why it’s hard to figure it out.

The ambush on “masks don’t work” was because it seems almost certainly the case that masks don’t hurt, and it’s likely the case that if masks have any benefit, that benefit will be proportional to levels of compliance, so if we get to choose between levels of compliance, higher is probably better.

My personal view is that after half the population came to view “no masks” as a part of their political identity, the overall pushiness on masks probably netted out to negative, but this is not blame I can assign to CDC et al.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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I have read his thoughts, and while he makes good points he ignores the clear facts: - censoring Hunter Biden's nudes from the site was the right thing to do. - The laptop hoax had all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation, and still seems likely to have been developed by the Russian government - banning trump was the right thing to do, he had just attempted a coup against the US (I also think banning dictators/aut…

Multiple independent investigations showed that the laptop story was accurate. Our intelligence agencies conspired to suppress it, knowing it was true. The FBI had the laptop for a year before the NY Post story.

> Multiple independent investigations showed that the laptop story was accurate.

This is not true, at best it is conflating some truths (copies of a hard drive exist and have some actual emails / pictures, a laptop was provided to the FBI) with lies (every file on the laptop is verified to belong to Hunter Biden! The laptop proves Joe Biden worked with his son in corrupt deals!).

What they've shown is that there was a hard drive, heavily manipulated by multiple parties, that eventually made their ways to law enforcement. Those hard drives to not show what most cons are pushing (that Joe Biden is corrupt), they do show Hunter Biden had a lot of sex and did a lot of drugs.

If you're interested in digging into this story with an open mind, including diving into the "soft corruption" of Hunter Biden's activities (similar to other rich, connected kids, e.g. Don Jr, way less corrupt than Jared and Ivanka gaining WH influence), watch this rundown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDcIludbsUw. It is long but worth it, and examines the issue from multiple angles.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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OK, so here's the key bit: "Twitter executives did not fully capitulate to the Biden team’s wishes. An extensive review of internal communications at the company revealed that employees often debated moderation cases in great detail, and with more care for free speech than was shown by the government. ... But Twitter did suppress views—and not just those of journalists like Berenson. Many medical and public health pr…

There is definitely a difference of the types of information shared.

Misinformation - False information that is spread regardless of intent to mislead.

Disinformation - False information that is spread with intent to mislead.

Misinformation can fall in the category of "Bullshit" quite often. There's no regard for the truth. Rather only a care that individuals are persuaded. This lack of respect I believe is the core problem these articles are trying to discuss.

This is the post-truth politics world we live in. Encouraged truth-telling, fact checking, not reopening settled debates, pressure big tech to combat disinformation(note the word used here, not misinformation), etc.

“A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes” - Unknown

If big tech has to combat disinformation. Big media should be held accountable to correct earlier misinformation. Rather than the "all or nothing" approach we see today until the next developing story makes headlines years later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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People who use the phrase “nothingburger” aren’t persuadable.

Well, when you see it, you know the person isn't really saying something; they're repeating a slogan.

That's an interesting deflection, considering there have been 10+ "twitter file" drops and nothing of import has come from them. The closest to the 1st amendment complaints we've seen is the fact that the trump WH reached out to Twitter to do things and Twitter complied.

That said, for some reason most folks are focused on the Biden campaign doing the same (to get Twitter to remove pictures of Hunter's penis from the internet).

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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An older person I know created twitter just to follow pandemic news and is now in the antivax and homeopathy echo chamber through replies and suggested tweets under the 2 people he follows

One interesting aspect of these arguments is that people often attribute the spread of anti-vaccine views to social media platforms like Twitter, rather than acknowledging the role of government and media in promoting false narratives that have contributed to widespread mistrust in mainstream institutions. While I personally believe that homeopathy is completely baseless, I can understand why someone who has witnessed the mishandling of the pandemic might lose faith in the objectivity of science and medicine. I used to work at major scientific publisher and was as "pro science" as could be, and I am also extremely disillusioned by the last 2 years.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Let’s change the roles, dude distributes Ivanka’s nudes, for all intents and purposes it’s revenge porn. Which social media would not block the distribution? NONE. There are very clear laws around revenge porn. Now, what makes Hunter’s penis special besides the Republican obsession is beyond me.

The biggest issue isn't the dick pics, but him smoking crack and potentially having sex with an underaged woman. He just happened to be naked while doing/potentially doing those things.

> and potentially having sex with an underaged woman

Malicious lies thrown about by RudyG and others far more corrupt than Joe Biden could ever be considered to be.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Some seem to be okay with the government and intelligence agencies working hand-in-hand with Big Tech to make sure we only get to learn and discuss corporate sponsored healthcare advice now.

Do you think saying "vaccines cause cancer" is fair game then? Where do you draw the line?

What do you mean by fair game? Is that true? Probably not. Should people be censored and prevented from talking about that? Absolutely fecking not. We have enough examples of medical misinformation coming from the most reputable sources to doubt their ability to impartially make decisions about what should and shouldn't be "fair game".

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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They did the same in Spain. And it is very very hard not to fall for conspiracy theories when essentially all the west governments simultaneously lied about the face masks effectiveness.

Why fall into conspiracies when the pragmatic answer is the more logical one?

No clue, but many people do.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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So they still don't know if masks work? Can we get a concrete answer on this at some point? It seems like this type of back and forth messaging is the problem. Maybe we should all apologize to people who questioned the need to wear masks if we still don't know whether or not they're effective.

Correct, we still do not really know whether masks at a population level tend to reduce transmission. A big, big part of the problem is that it’s very hard to know how many people are wearing masks, how consistently, whether they change their behavior when they do, etc etc. What we probably know is that if 100% of the population wore masks 100% correctly 100% of the time and kept 100% of their prior behavior, it woul…

Wouldn't it have just been easier to explain it than to lie to the public and then continue to deny and defend the lying after it's already been exposed?

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Correct, we still do not really know whether masks at a population level tend to reduce transmission. A big, big part of the problem is that it’s very hard to know how many people are wearing masks, how consistently, whether they change their behavior when they do, etc etc. What we probably know is that if 100% of the population wore masks 100% correctly 100% of the time and kept 100% of their prior behavior, it woul…

Wouldn't it have just been easier to explain it than to lie to the public and then continue to deny and defend the lying after it's already been exposed?

What lying? CDC et al never said masks don’t work. I don’t know how many times I need to repeat this.
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