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Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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Re: Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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And if you include children I don't see how this could possibly be true. There are female children too. More than 5% of the male population is old, weak, and/or disabled There are old, weak, and disabled women as well. Additionally, if you think old men are weak I suspect you have never had to wrestle an eighty year old with dementia out of a bath tub. They are remarkably, irritatingly strong.

I would argue that one should discern strength when actually caring or not caring to injure someone else in the process.

I don't know what you're saying here.

Re: Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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The more of these male vs female preferences articles I see, the less I find myself caring.

I think that's ok. We should care about the well-being of people (and nature), not about the way they actually live their life. If someone wants to work in health care or education, or rather in carpentry or nuclear physics let them. The alternative is some kind of politically motivated utilitarianism.

And certainly don't pay too much attention of these studies. People treat them as gospel, but they aren't. They're more like the yellow press.

Re: Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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Still the problem here is we don't _really_ know whether this is genetic or shaped by our upbringing even when it comes to the most egalitarian societies. I'd like to see the same study done on the little left hunter-gatherers bands.

Genetic, epigenetic, memetic. Why does it matter?

Re: Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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i find it interesting that the study minimizes the “working with people” aspects of executive roles.

working with people may be the most important piece of an executive yet they ignore the “working with people” aspects and try to shoehorn it into a data driven role.

seems like an absurd and arbitrary category definition.

Re: Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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> It would be a problem for upbringing as that is something adults have agency over. It's a bias that may not need to exist. There's no evidence that adults are creating this bias. They are not. On average women find tech work grindingly boring. Why is it a problem? It isn't. Just let people do what they want with their lives.

> On average women find tech work grindingly boring. No evidence of that. > There's no evidence that adults are creating this bias. They are not. Are you absolutely certain? It's the subject of quite a bit of research. > Why is it a problem? It isn't. Just let people do what they want with their lives. Kids don't know what they want to do with their lives, they get lead down various paths by their upbringing. Plenty…

>> On average women find tech work grindingly boring.

> No evidence of that

Are you for real? Have you ever tried to talk to any women about technology? With occasional exceptions, the response you will get is a face that has completely glazed over.

This is only a problem for people who believe in egalitarian ideology - where every group is supposed to be at all times "equal" in ways that are simply not bourne out in reality.

Re: Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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This cannot be the case. More than 5% of the male population is old, weak, and/or disabled that it can't possibly be true that 95% of all men have stronger arms than 95% of women. And if you include children I don't see how this could possibly be true. Unless you mean something else?

And if you include children I don't see how this could possibly be true. There are female children too. More than 5% of the male population is old, weak, and/or disabled There are old, weak, and disabled women as well. Additionally, if you think old men are weak I suspect you have never had to wrestle an eighty year old with dementia out of a bath tub. They are remarkably, irritatingly strong.

Why would anyone include children in a grownup adult study? Children don't feature any noticeable differences before puberty - that's well understood.

Re: Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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Yonatan Zunger, a principle eng at Google and twitter, said how wrong Damore was and that: "a good number of the people you [Damore] might have to work with may simply punch you in the face" https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-man... I have no idea why this guy Yonatan is still allowed to work anywhere.

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Re: Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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The more of these male vs female preferences articles I see, the less I find myself caring.

Good. The sooner everyone stops caring, the sooner we can all think clearly enough about it to get the truth.
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