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Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by leehuffman »

RockRobotRock wrote: post #40
yellow_lead wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even a hardcore pirate like me tried to do the right thing when it comes to music - I got Spotify. But when I moved to Taiwan, I tried to switch my payment location to get regional pricing and they refuse to accept my Taiwan debit card. Now I pirate music or use Vanced (YouTube).

Between iTunes and Bandcamp, it's very easy to buy DRM free music (most of the time). In the streaming era, its basically impossible to buy TV shows and movies without DRM.

SO EASY. Thank you. Daps up.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by jspaetzel »

choeger wrote: post #44

I said it before, but I'll repeat myself: For digital possessions, we need a clearing house. Everyone offering music, videos, etc. for sale or long-term rent, needs to register a digital copy in a standardized format with said clearing house. Every sale has to be registered there as well. Whenever the seller disables DRM or does locks out the buyer in any other way (not supporting new or old devices, closing down acc…

This isn't the problem, it would actually make this problem worse. The issue here is long-term device support which google is negligent about.. take away their vendor lock in and the whole platform stops making financial sense at any level of quality.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by jlengrand »

Tangential but related. I am a long time Spotify user, French guy living in the Netherlands.

I always kept a French credit card for the sole purpose of having access to the French music catalogue, and not the Dutch one (yeah, I learnt that's a thing).

Lately, they started forcing me to also setup an address in France, and regularly log in FROM THE ADDRESS I set up.

Guess who hasn't pirated any music in over 12 years and started again...

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by lozenge »

jfoster wrote: post #59
midoridensha wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Is it pirated if you already own a legally valid license? I imagine it depends on who you talk to. If you talk to the company lawyers, they'll say it's illegal and you need to pay up. If you talk to a different lawyer that believes in better IP rights, they'll tell you it's not illegal but hasn't been tested in a court of law. Ultimately, the only way to know if something is illegal, in the US, is to do the possibly…

Feels like there should be a precedent along these lines by now. Do these cases get settled so commonly that none covering this type of case have been ruled on yet?

What constitutes this "type of case" and are you confident a judge won't create a new distinction separating this one from previous ones?

The most famous case decided in consumers' favor was about recording tapes from TV broadcasts to watch at a different time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Uni....

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by IronWolve »

My folks live in an area pre-starlink, and they buy their favorite movies and rent from the small rental shop. Yeah, remote communities don't have Internet and dvd/blueray is still a thing. Now they have a big collection of their favorite movies and can watch anytime at their home in the mountains.

You can also find media cheap at yard sales, pawn shops, ebay or online.

Also have you seen the price of dvds now? Bud Spencer & Terence Hill movies are going for bank now. For classic spaghetti westerns and funny cops movies!

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by dxuh »

usui wrote: post #16

> So I pirate the movie (please don't arrest me, it's google's fault) I really like the frank tone of the article and I wish people in general would just write unabashedly more often when it comes to stuff like this. Writers online love to dance around the idea of "pirating" their digital goods when communicating on the topic: "Ooh my 'friend' may or may not have downloaded 'xyz' movie from 'abc' website, but I don't…

Music and movies are very, very different. While there is no site I know of that provides purchase of DRM free downloads of popular movies, there are many alternatives for music. I purchase most of the music I like from Bandcamp and I think even Amazon allows purchase of DRM free downloadable music. I feel ZERO regrets about pirating movies, because I am not given any option worth purchasing, but I would feel bad pirating music and I think you should probably too, if you could afford it.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by MikusR »

usui wrote: post #16

> So I pirate the movie (please don't arrest me, it's google's fault) I really like the frank tone of the article and I wish people in general would just write unabashedly more often when it comes to stuff like this. Writers online love to dance around the idea of "pirating" their digital goods when communicating on the topic: "Ooh my 'friend' may or may not have downloaded 'xyz' movie from 'abc' website, but I don't…

That spy-spotify has some bs claims. Spotify uses ogg vorbis so if the output of the app is an mp3 there is a quality loss.

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by di4na »

jfoster wrote: post #59
midoridensha wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Is it pirated if you already own a legally valid license? I imagine it depends on who you talk to. If you talk to the company lawyers, they'll say it's illegal and you need to pay up. If you talk to a different lawyer that believes in better IP rights, they'll tell you it's not illegal but hasn't been tested in a court of law. Ultimately, the only way to know if something is illegal, in the US, is to do the possibly…

Feels like there should be a precedent along these lines by now. Do these cases get settled so commonly that none covering this type of case have been ruled on yet?

There have been multiple. It is considered illegal**

** This is here to point out that it being illegal can be interpreted in multiple ways. Some steps of the process have not been covered. Like "is writing everywhere that i allow you to buy a thing or possess it but only give you a temporary licence to play it under TOS and EULA that you cannot physically read legal?"

Re: I'm done with Google

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Post by charcircuit »

satvikchoudhary wrote: post #66
yellow_lead wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even a hardcore pirate like me tried to do the right thing when it comes to music - I got Spotify. But when I moved to Taiwan, I tried to switch my payment location to get regional pricing and they refuse to accept my Taiwan debit card. Now I pirate music or use Vanced (YouTube).

Is Vance still working?

Yes. I would recommend migrating to it's successor revanced though.
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