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How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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There’s apparently a lot of people upset about Twitter for trying to manage misinformation. I’d like to see equal information leaked from Fox for comparison, who should have journalistic integrity since they’re a news company. It seems weird to me that Twitter is the only one people seem to be up in arms about, and not the times the US president did things like suggest to the public, on live national tv, that consumi…

Just to be absolutely clear -- you're claiming that nobody had any problem with Trump? Not sure what media you consume if so.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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post #423

OK, so here's the key bit: "Twitter executives did not fully capitulate to the Biden team’s wishes. An extensive review of internal communications at the company revealed that employees often debated moderation cases in great detail, and with more care for free speech than was shown by the government. ... But Twitter did suppress views—and not just those of journalists like Berenson. Many medical and public health pr…

There WAS a LOT of misinformation about covid, and a lot of it could cause real harm. Quite true. Thing is, there wasn't that much of it before the CDC spent over a month spewing bullshit telling people not to wear masks because masks don't stop the spread of COVID. It was obvious to everyone and their dog that masks help stop the spread of respiratory infections. That irrevocably shattered a whole lot of people's fa…

> Thing is, there wasn't that much of it before the CDC spent over a month spewing bullshit telling people not to wear masks because masks don't stop the spread of COVID.

They made it clear after the fact that this was done because there wasn't an adequate supply of masks for 330M people, and they needed to secure a supply for first responders. The job of the government is to make tough decisions like this in times of crisis. You can agree or disagree but this was neither malicious nor in my opinion outside the scope of the role.

We also knew a lot less about what was going on at that time, and once again, that means we need to extend some degree of leniency to folks making conservative if difficult choices like this. If it came down to it yeah of course we need to secure the supply for first responders first.

Now we never should have been in that position in the first place but that was the fault of past administrations, not the CDC in the moment and didn't change what needed to be done.

> It was obvious to everyone and their dog that masks help stop the spread of respiratory infections.

Some masks, but not all masks. Single layer cloth masks do nothing. [1] N95s sure, but even at peak COVID most people weren't wearing N95s, they were wearing non-medical surgical-style masks, which only block between 30 and 70% of particles.

Even still while less effective than N95s, those surgical masks do help. [2]

[1] https://globalnews.ca/news/8460528/masks-effectiveness-omicr...

[2] https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abg6296

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s change the roles, dude distributes Ivanka’s nudes, for all intents and purposes it’s revenge porn. Which social media would not block the distribution? NONE. There are very clear laws around revenge porn. Now, what makes Hunter’s penis special besides the Republican obsession is beyond me.

The biggest issue isn't the dick pics, but him smoking crack and potentially having sex with an underaged woman. He just happened to be naked while doing/potentially doing those things.

I fail to see why then it is Twitter's responsibility to report this to the general public or even allow its existence. Authorities exist for a reason, twitter is neither part of the judicial, executive, nor legislative branch, nor does it have any jurisdiction in conducting research into criminal offenses and prosecuting people.

I fail to see why Hunter Biden needs to be held at a different standard than other people, especially given that he did not hold office, nor was in the process of doing so via cronyism, nor did he make millions off his [non existent] position in the government.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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I wonder why people believe that CDC must always be right, and therefore any doubt or challenge to CDC’s messages is misinformation that is worth banning. I thought every school in a modern society teaches student not to blindly trust the authority.

Easy answer: people care about policy, not facts. They will grab onto facts that support the policy they want, and push away facts that don't. The more politicized the issue, as with COVID, the more fearful they become that any doubt or nuance will cede ground to the "other side".

And they're right in the sense that the "other side" is doing the same thing.

For example, every news headline about the pandemic had one of two policy subtexts: Democrat subtext (we need to mask up, lock down, vaccinate), or Republican subtext (we need to open up, drop mask rules, etc). Any media article, when reporting on news, statistics, or scientific studies, would always present it in one of those two contexts. So any new piece of information would be evaluated and presented by the media and by Twitter, not on a basis of how it contributed to our knowledge and evidence-based decisionmaking process, but on a basis of which policy position it seemed to support.

And of course, humans love to form political factions and fight each other ("my" group versus "theirs"), and powerful/rich people gain lots of power/money from this process by leading or feeding one side, so the media and political ecosystem encourage this dynamic.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe in the US, but not worldwide. When you compare, countries where citizens trusted the government and generally followed the government's plans fared better than countries where individuals fought for their rights to choose what they think was best for them. IMHO Covid demonstrated the importance of trust in the system. When people trust the system, and think of the society as something they need to work together…

To say "trust the system" requires a religious inclination that many don't have

This statement only makes sense on a philosophical level.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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what's wrong with suppressing anti-vaxer views on twitter? elon's guy says twitter rigged the debate. yes so what. why should they have to provide a leveled platform for vaccine supporters vs anti-vaxers? If you look at china now there is a tragedy due to no vaccinations being available.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There WAS a LOT of misinformation about covid, and a lot of it could cause real harm. Quite true. Thing is, there wasn't that much of it before the CDC spent over a month spewing bullshit telling people not to wear masks because masks don't stop the spread of COVID. It was obvious to everyone and their dog that masks help stop the spread of respiratory infections. That irrevocably shattered a whole lot of people's fa…

> Thing is, there wasn't that much of it before the CDC spent over a month spewing bullshit telling people not to wear masks because masks don't stop the spread of COVID. They made it clear after the fact that this was done because there wasn't an adequate supply of masks for 330M people, and they needed to secure a supply for first responders. The job of the government is to make tough decisions like this in times o…

An important consideration that I have not seen mentioned yet is that masks have a 'best before date', this is because they are infused with a static charge that aims to attract particles to the mask material and this charge doesn't last forever. You can 'recharge' masks but that's a lot of work and usually not in the normal path for such supplies. So stockpiles that were present were not going to be effective against viruses (which are very small particles). Add to that that this was before there was positive confirmation the virus was airborne (though there were plenty of people suggesting that none had proof) to make the chaos complete. I don't think that even with hindsight there was a set of decisions that would not have left something to be disputed.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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post #436

what's wrong with suppressing anti-vaxer views on twitter? elon's guy says twitter rigged the debate. yes so what. why should they have to provide a leveled platform for vaccine supporters vs anti-vaxers? If you look at china now there is a tragedy due to no vaccinations being available.

I wished Elon Musk would fuck off to Mars already, he's done enough damage. But trust him to see how far he can milk this and it gets lapped up and amplified like it is the biggest scandal since Watergate, whereas the most you can take away from it is that there were a lot of people doing their utmost best to ensure the platform functioned with minimum damage potential.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Some seem to be okay with the government and intelligence agencies working hand-in-hand with Big Tech to make sure we only get to learn and discuss corporate sponsored healthcare advice now.

I dream of a United States with 0 Ads for Prescription Medicine, and the end of "Ask your Doctor about [Brand]"

Oh no, but what about free speech? /s

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dream of a United States with 0 Ads for Prescription Medicine, and the end of "Ask your Doctor about [Brand]"

Doctors have sometimes gotten kickbacks from Big Pharma for promoting some medicine. There’s been lawsuits in the USA over this and I am sure if the profits outweigh the costs Big Pharma will try it again. Here’s an example from Pfizer (2010): https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/insurer-sues-pfiz...

And rightly so, doctors that take kickbacks are acting against their oath and should be relieved of their license to practice.
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