Still the problem here is we don't _really_ know whether this is genetic or shaped by our upbringing even when it comes to the most egalitarian societies. I'd like to see the same study done on the little left hunter-gatherers bands.
Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world
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#32I wouldn't mind seeing a ranking of countries by uncertainty avoidance. That sounds interesting enough itself.
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#33Still the problem here is we don't _really_ know whether this is genetic or shaped by our upbringing even when it comes to the most egalitarian societies. I'd like to see the same study done on the little left hunter-gatherers bands.
We do know that gender differences in a variety of psychological traits are more pronounced in more egalitarian societies. See e.g. https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-women-e...
"Considering gender inequality, the authors report that “in countries of higher gender inequality, women’s stronger preference for working with people versus things compared to men was smaller.” However, this effect disappeared when cultural dimensions were taken into account.
"Instead, it was those countries with greater uncertainty avoidance that had larger differences in interests in people/things between men and women. Uncertainty avoidance refers to the degree to which a culture teaches its members to feel unpleasant in situations that are new, not previously known, surprising, or generally just different from usual."
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#34Does this mean James Damore was right? Or is there something wrong with this research?
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#35Interesting read. Guess I've always noticed how HR deps. are mostly women, ie. Reality is though, in many situations there is not much of a choice. You gotta eat and will take whatever job is available. I personally have had jobs where I've been going in with pleasure and others when I would have rather stayed home.
Almost anyone can develop either, but when they don't, through whatever combination of chance and default temperament.... very few employers will give someone a chance at crossing that divide without some prior indication the prospective employee will be decent at it, because chances are they won't be.
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#36Please keep in mind that if really true, it is not a binary thing. It’s a distribution. There are going to be plenty of women who are more interested in things than the median man, and there are plenty of men who are more interested in people than the median woman.
There are going to be plenty of women who are more interested in things than the median man Probably . Distributions don't necessarily have a huge amount of overlap. For example, upper body strength is also a distribution but the overlap is so small that 95% of men have stronger arms than 95% of women. With something as general as aptitude for things vs people the overlap is probably much greater than that but not ce…
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#37I don't think the distinction of working with people vs working with things is clear enough to say wheter my job means I am doing the one or the other. So how could the participants in the study do the same? I'm assuming there are lots of occupations in this grey zone and even situations where in one company the same occupation is considered working with people while in another company it would be considered working with things.
I can see multiple issues the study runs into which would be interesting to see how/if it answers. A) Does it measure peoples perception of wheter they work with people or thing? B) Do the authors make their own interpretation of which occupations lands in which category? How do they then eliminate their own biases in what working with that occupation means? C) Did the authors observe the participants and make a judgement call based on their day-to-day activity? This would likely be the most accurate, but I can't imagine they did this because of the sheer cost of such an experiment.
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#38In Poland accounting is traditionally a female occupation. I know 0 male accountants and like 20 female ones.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
So .. you've had no actual experience of living with hunter gathers then? The women do a lot of work digging ants [1], digging lizards, trawling through sands for cockles [2] (and leaving massive midden piles in their wake over centuries), and retire to a life of painting and laughing at the quaint notions of the clueless. Many such cultures share childcare across a wide network of extended kinship [3], both male and…
> So .. you've had no actual experience of living with hunter gathers then? This is not an argument. > The women do a lot of work digging ants [1], digging lizards, trawling through sands for cockles [2] (and leaving massive midden piles in their wake over centuries), and retire to a life of painting and laughing at the quaint notions of the clueless. Great. > Many such cultures share childcare across a wide network…
To go back to your other comment:
> Why is that a problem, and if it was due to upbringing then why that would be a problem?
It would be a problem for upbringing as that is something adults have agency over. It's a bias that may not need to exist.
A great example of that is when women were highly represented in computer science as it was initially becoming a field of study, but later got pushed out by boys who'd had technical skills nurtured in them when they were young while the girls did not. Oversimplifying that a little bit, but most of us have experienced it or seen it in action.
Women in STEM is a supply issue that starts with parenting, and continues all the way along the pipeline, with schools, universities and peers all filtering girls out of the pipeline that puts butts in seats in tech roles, even though they're perfectly capable of the roles.
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#40“women tended to be more interested in working with ideas (versus data) than men in all but two countries (the Philippines and Poland),” In Poland accounting is traditionally a female occupation. I know 0 male accountants and like 20 female ones.