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Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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Re: Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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Please keep in mind that if really true, it is not a binary thing. It’s a distribution. There are going to be plenty of women who are more interested in things than the median man, and there are plenty of men who are more interested in people than the median woman.

Re: Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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Please keep in mind that if really true, it is not a binary thing. It’s a distribution. There are going to be plenty of women who are more interested in things than the median man, and there are plenty of men who are more interested in people than the median woman.

Wish people would keep this in mind for everything.

Re: Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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Recently I (male) was thinking about to change my work to something, I have to work more with people. The problem is mostly, it is very very bad paid.

Can't speak to gender disparities but as a software engineer as I have progressed in my career I have both been paid more and spent much more time working with people.

Re: Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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Still the problem here is we don't _really_ know whether this is genetic or shaped by our upbringing even when it comes to the most egalitarian societies. I'd like to see the same study done on the little left hunter-gatherers bands.

The reason is genetically. There is not difference between more feminist countries and the less ones.

Re: Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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Please keep in mind that if really true, it is not a binary thing. It’s a distribution. There are going to be plenty of women who are more interested in things than the median man, and there are plenty of men who are more interested in people than the median woman.

There are going to be plenty of women who are more interested in things than the median man

Probably. Distributions don't necessarily have a huge amount of overlap. For example, upper body strength is also a distribution but the overlap is so small that 95% of men have stronger arms than 95% of women. With something as general as aptitude for things vs people the overlap is probably much greater than that but not certain without more data.

Re: Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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Still the problem here is we don't _really_ know whether this is genetic or shaped by our upbringing even when it comes to the most egalitarian societies. I'd like to see the same study done on the little left hunter-gatherers bands.

I'm sure there must be studies done on apes that would clarify that exact question.

Re: Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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Still the problem here is we don't _really_ know whether this is genetic or shaped by our upbringing even when it comes to the most egalitarian societies. I'd like to see the same study done on the little left hunter-gatherers bands.

Why is that a problem, and if it was due to upbringing then why that would be a problem? > I'd like to see the same study done on the little left hunter-gatherers bands. I don't see what that would prove. Men being biologically better suited for many types of primitive hunting, and women having the responsibility of pregnancy and nursing infants, would have a massive influence on the culture and structure of those so…

So .. you've had no actual experience of living with hunter gathers then?

The women do a lot of work digging ants [1], digging lizards, trawling through sands for cockles [2] (and leaving massive midden piles in their wake over centuries), and retire to a life of painting and laughing at the quaint notions of the clueless.

Many such cultures share childcare across a wide network of extended kinship [3], both male and female - everybody works to bring food, tools, and culture to the group.

[1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-16/honey-ant-hunters-and...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegillarca_granosa

[3] https://aifs.gov.au/resources/policy-and-practice-papers/str...

Re: Women like working with people, men like working with things, all over the world

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that a problem, and if it was due to upbringing then why that would be a problem? > I'd like to see the same study done on the little left hunter-gatherers bands. I don't see what that would prove. Men being biologically better suited for many types of primitive hunting, and women having the responsibility of pregnancy and nursing infants, would have a massive influence on the culture and structure of those so…

So .. you've had no actual experience of living with hunter gathers then? The women do a lot of work digging ants [1], digging lizards, trawling through sands for cockles [2] (and leaving massive midden piles in their wake over centuries), and retire to a life of painting and laughing at the quaint notions of the clueless. Many such cultures share childcare across a wide network of extended kinship [3], both male and…

> So .. you've had no actual experience of living with hunter gathers then?

This is not an argument.

> The women do a lot of work digging ants [1], digging lizards, trawling through sands for cockles [2] (and leaving massive midden piles in their wake over centuries), and retire to a life of painting and laughing at the quaint notions of the clueless.

Great.

> Many such cultures share childcare across a wide network of extended kinship [3], both male and female - everybody works to bring food, tools, and culture to the group.

And yet despite having nary a biology degree among them, even they will tell you that men can not gestate or nurse a child. And that men are biologically more suited to some types of primitive hunting.

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