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How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Some seem to be okay with the government and intelligence agencies working hand-in-hand with Big Tech to make sure we only get to learn and discuss corporate sponsored healthcare advice now.

I dream of a United States with 0 Ads for Prescription Medicine, and the end of "Ask your Doctor about [Brand]"

Doctors have sometimes gotten kickbacks from Big Pharma for promoting some medicine. There’s been lawsuits in the USA over this and I am sure if the profits outweigh the costs Big Pharma will try it again. Here’s an example from Pfizer (2010): https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/insurer-sues-pfiz...

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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I am a conspiracy theorist[1], and this was all well known since before we even did '2 weeks to slow the spread'. I'm just glad some of the mainstream folks are figuring it out now. [1]: The term "conspiracy theory" is itself the subject of a conspiracy theory, which claims the term was popularized by the CIA in order to discredit conspiratorial believers, particularly critics of the Warren Commission, by making them…

When secretive governments and corporations give stories that don't pass basic tests, our lives depend on finding the most likely truth. This is theorizing. If you don't think they are telling the full truth, you are a conspiracy theorist. I am proud to be one too.

What people don’t get is that the opposite of conspiracy theorist is also a sort of theorist that chooses the prevailing narrative or status quo. A friend of mine coined the term complacency theorist.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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> the distrust it created for big government, big pharma, and big tech. No worries. The people will forget it just like they forgot the Iraq War, the Avandia drug scandal, the Three Mile island, the Mexican gulf oil leak, Iran-Contra and everything else. They will vote in the election. The administration will change. And despite the incoming administrations will be staffed fully by the SAME people who staffed the adm…

History strongly shows that epidemics do change political consciousness, toward psychological conservatism. It will take two generations (as with economic depressions) before things get anything like as loose and sloppy again. We'll fail in other ways, meanwhile. Eventually, UK citizens lost their faith in the aristocratic system. But they did. I may be kidding myself but I think there will be some permanent change f…

> Eventually, UK citizens lost their faith in the aristocratic system. But they did. I may be kidding myself

To start with, getting fed up with aristocrats would be a revolutionary and progressive thing, not conservative. But it does not seem like there is enough such sentiment in the UK to change things. They still have their royals with veto power, they still have the unelected house of lords with aristocratic, religious and appointed hereditary members and the FPTP system. The house of lords can infinitely send back any bill to the parliament, by the way - which amounts to a total veto power.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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OK, so here's the key bit: "Twitter executives did not fully capitulate to the Biden team’s wishes. An extensive review of internal communications at the company revealed that employees often debated moderation cases in great detail, and with more care for free speech than was shown by the government. ... But Twitter did suppress views—and not just those of journalists like Berenson. Many medical and public health pr…

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Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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OK, so here's the key bit: "Twitter executives did not fully capitulate to the Biden team’s wishes. An extensive review of internal communications at the company revealed that employees often debated moderation cases in great detail, and with more care for free speech than was shown by the government. ... But Twitter did suppress views—and not just those of journalists like Berenson. Many medical and public health pr…

Sounds like you’re trying to spin it to make this seem like innocent moderation when it was internal employees and the government forcing their views via moderation rather than letting the discourse happen

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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And they haven't stopped agitating. And probably won't stop. Which makes me wonder: with the degree of weaponization of the internet on the side of the anti-vaxxers will the next pandemic be 'the big one'? Enough people that refuse vaccination and you are looking at an entirely different probable outcome. Here in NL a small army of foaming-at-the-mouth conspiracy theorists did their utmost to undermine the vaccinatio…

> This is a worrisome development. Governments are working with private corporations to promote misinformation and silence real information and you’re worried about…anti vaxxers? I can maybe steel man a utilitarian stance for this position though I’m afraid it’s weak to “surely the lepers won’t eat my face”.

This narrative is analogous to having dropped your ice cream cone on the ground, and being upset at the tyranny of your parents preventing you from continuing to eat it.

Every centralized service will inevitably be goaded into censorship for assorted reasons. Every filter has false positives. Grifters, charlatans, and informational warfare campaigns pumped pure horse shit into our memetic stream (through our own institutions even), driving the signal well below the noise floor. Twitter attempted to filter out the hostile noise to remain useful, necessarily throwing a lot of worthwhile information out in the process.

I've never been a fan of "web 2.0" centralization, and generally believe in free communications via libre software. But spinning this most recent tempest-in-a-teapot as some watershed scandal is ridiculous. Especially in the larger context of Twitter just being bought out by an impotent strongman, who has been marketing it with a brand of "free speech" while censoring per his personal whims.

If these events are really what it took for you to start paying attention to the power centralized companies wield, then congratulations I guess? But litigating what Twitter Past did as exceptional, as if censorship isn't intrinsic to the technical foundation of the whole service, just seems like a denial mechanism that will circle you back to your previous unaware state.

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I agree with your second point, but your first one is simply not true. My hope is that Mastodon, because it is not for-profit, will take up the role of public platform upholding free speech.

I don't see what there is to disagree as the first. Either you're a platform or a publisher, and the difference is whether the company is legally liable for the user's content. Twitter claims itself to legally be a platform, and therefore on a legal basis should uphold free speech (not to mention on a moral basis). If they want to be a publisher then they can do that and destroy their site, and everyone will migrate…

> Either you're a platform or a publisher, and the difference is whether the company is legally liable for the user's content.

This trope is so old and so wrong that there's a techdirt article specifically written to debunk it and save everyone the irreplaceable moments of their lives spent arguing about it[1].

[1] https://www.techdirt.com/2020/06/23/hello-youve-been-referre...

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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> There was a noticeable increase in thromboembolic events after COVID-19 vaccination started in my city. Plenty of people were saved by friends in the emergency room. Thromboembolic events are a common side effect of COVID-19, and vaccine roll out often led to infection surges as the sense of normality returned before full immunity.

They're also caused by Covid infection. Which makes sense, if the spike proteins produced by the vaccine cause these issues, then so do the spike proteins produced by the virus.

That logic is most likely simple, elegant and wrong.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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I wonder why people believe that CDC must always be right, and therefore any doubt or challenge to CDC’s messages is misinformation that is worth banning. I thought every school in a modern society teaches student not to blindly trust the authority.

When there are literally millions of medical experts recommending taking vaccines, why would you expect most people to do otherwise?

We're not all medical experts. And, we can't survive without trusting others.

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