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Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Post by DangitBobby »

kodyo wrote: post #142
myko wrote: post #94

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I have read his thoughts, and while he makes good points he ignores the clear facts: - censoring Hunter Biden's nudes from the site was the right thing to do. - The laptop hoax had all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation, and still seems likely to have been developed by the Russian government - banning trump was the right thing to do, he had just attempted a coup against the US (I also think banning dictators/aut…

Multiple independent investigations showed that the laptop story was accurate. Our intelligence agencies conspired to suppress it, knowing it was true. The FBI had the laptop for a year before the NY Post story.

I've never heard or read anything particularly interesting when it comes to the laptop. You have a link to source I could feasibly trust (NY Post falls far, far below that bar) that explains how there's evidence the Bidens did something corrupt?

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Post by mindslight »

VagueMag wrote: post #222
mindslight wrote: post #202

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> This comment gets a lot up upvotes until it gets "flagged" and deleted This is because your comment is bog standard disinformation. It tickles the groupthink narrative about "lockdowns", even though "lockdowns" did not exist in the US beyond a few counties in California.

That's news to this Washington state resident, who couldn't eat indoors at restaurants or send my kids to in-person school through most of 2020.

Business and school closures are not lockdowns. The abuse of terminology for political purposes is at the heart of this inability to communicate (and both political machines are guilty).

If you could legally leave your home (ie you were not subject to a stay at home order with the force of law), you were not "locked down".

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Post by acdha »

bmarquez wrote: post #226
acdha wrote: post #183

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> Nobody is unaware that the vaccines are not perfectly safe Are you so sure? "Safe and effective" and similar slogans in other languages were repeated like almost like a mantra, especially in lower-income, immigrant areas of less-fluent English proficiency. And it took me personally meeting someone who developed Guillain-Barre syndrome after COVID vaccination to even begin to question the narrative. I get that the H…

At least in the city I live in, extensive outreach efforts were made to educate people. Now, you can always find people who are misinformed but I would worry more about billion dollar media empires pushing unfounded fears of vaccination than innocent misunderstanding.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Post by mindslight »

idgaf4u wrote: post #225
mindslight wrote: post #202

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> This comment gets a lot up upvotes until it gets "flagged" and deleted This is because your comment is bog standard disinformation. It tickles the groupthink narrative about "lockdowns", even though "lockdowns" did not exist in the US beyond a few counties in California.

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You are misattributing multiple qualities to me, seemingly because I replied to your comment with something other than validation. It might to prudent to get some perspective before you become even more detached from reality.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Post by polygamous_bat »

lmm wrote: post #139
peter422 wrote: post #90

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I’m sure you mean well, but one of the few things we know for sure is that the virus is way, way, way more deadly than vaccine. If you are going to overlook all those RCTs run all throughout the world with different types of vaccines and huge populations of people, then you really should reflect on your own analysis of the data. I'm not saying the vaccine is perfectly safe, as few things are, but it's obviously, prov…

You can prove anything you want with RCTs if you do enough selective reporting. I think the vaccine probably saved more lives than it cost, but I'm a lot less confident because of how much bad-faith covering-up of any counterveilling evidence there's been. (Were vaccine RCTs pre-registered? If they were, how many pre-registered trials were mysteriously stopped or abandoned?)

> You can prove anything you want with RCTs if you do enough selective reporting.

Once you get to claims like these it's really difficult to prove anything anymore. At that point we may as well throw out hands up and start huffing bleach.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Post by 40amxn40 »

rajin444 wrote: post #203
jacquesm wrote: post #78

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And they haven't stopped agitating. And probably won't stop. Which makes me wonder: with the degree of weaponization of the internet on the side of the anti-vaxxers will the next pandemic be 'the big one'? Enough people that refuse vaccination and you are looking at an entirely different probable outcome. Here in NL a small army of foaming-at-the-mouth conspiracy theorists did their utmost to undermine the vaccinatio…

> This is a worrisome development. Governments are working with private corporations to promote misinformation and silence real information and you’re worried about…anti vaxxers? I can maybe steel man a utilitarian stance for this position though I’m afraid it’s weak to “surely the lepers won’t eat my face”.

A very eye opening realization I had after 2020 is that the vast majority of people have absolutely zero critical thinking skills, and that applies specially to snobby intellectual circles like academia or this very forum. They are the most indoctrinated people on Earth and it's like talking to a wall.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Post by polygamous_bat »

icelancer wrote: post #160
stevebmark wrote: post #22

I don't really care about a private company making reasonable decisions and learning about their internal debate process. Up until Musk, I was impressed to see Twitter grow a backbone and not fall to the cowardly cries of "free speech." What I don't follow is the jump some people make from reasonable moderation like this, to fascism. They see internet platform moderation as a gateway drug to a physically oppressive g…

> cowardly cries of "free speech." What a world we live in where this is a reasonable statement to many.

If the only people crying for free speech are only the people who gets rotten tomato-ed every time they get up on a podium, it makes a lot of sense.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Post by VagueMag »

mindslight wrote: post #242
VagueMag wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's news to this Washington state resident, who couldn't eat indoors at restaurants or send my kids to in-person school through most of 2020.

Business and school closures are not lockdowns. The abuse of terminology for political purposes is at the heart of this inability to communicate (and both political machines are guilty). If you could legally leave your home (ie you were not subject to a stay at home order with the force of law), you were not "locked down".

This is a bizarre definition completely at odds with the commonly understood meaning of "lockdowns" in the U.S.

Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Post by kodyo »

DangitBobby wrote: post #241
kodyo wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Multiple independent investigations showed that the laptop story was accurate. Our intelligence agencies conspired to suppress it, knowing it was true. The FBI had the laptop for a year before the NY Post story.

I've never heard or read anything particularly interesting when it comes to the laptop. You have a link to source I could feasibly trust (NY Post falls far, far below that bar) that explains how there's evidence the Bidens did something corrupt?

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Re: How Twitter moderated the Covid debate

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Post by hintymad »

jmeister wrote: post #224
hintymad wrote: post #133

I wonder why people believe that CDC must always be right, and therefore any doubt or challenge to CDC’s messages is misinformation that is worth banning. I thought every school in a modern society teaches student not to blindly trust the authority.

Related: there isn’t enough discussion on actual executive decision making. The experts are supposed to give their inputs, but the buck stops with the executives who are tasked with balancing various trade-offs(including the inherent uncertainty in faulty/noisy scientific models). https://www.slowboring.com/p/fda-cost-benefit There never is one single “right” decision, the balancing of trade-offs is inherently politi…

> This fetishization of the Science or villainization of CDC/Fauci are completely misguided

Fair point. Doesn’t mean that people who pointed out inconsistencies in CDC’s data or referred papers of different opinions should be banned or villainfied, either

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