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Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by kspacewalk2 »

vkou wrote: post #357
kspacewalk2 wrote: post #60

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>Yes, why aren't these people self sufficient after we took away all their means of self sufficiency? This sounds very much like "racism of low expectations". "These people" are just as self-sufficient as any other group of modern people of similar socioeconomic background. It's been 100+ years since they were mistreated in any serious fashion. I come from eastern Europe and 150 years ago most of my ancestors were se…

> It's been 100+ years since they were mistreated in any serious fashion. The last residential school (Where native children would be kidnapped into, to have the Indian, quite literally, beaten out of them) in Canada closed in 1998 .

Yes, but this is very simplistic, since it's insinuating that the beatings for Native languages and other horrific mistreatment took place in 1998, whereas in fact that's not close to true, the worst evils of what we associate with Residential Schools ended many decades before the 1990s, mostly before WW2. Doesn't make them good or right, forcing kids into boarding schools based on their cultural background is very wrong even if there are no beatings or malnutrition.

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Post by pigsty »

JCharante wrote: post #266
pigsty wrote: post #48

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Put someone in a village 100 miles from the nearest town, deny them the basic infrastructure you provide for everyone else, deny them proper education, skimp on government job programs provided to other struggling towns that would eventually lead to wealth flowing in and free enterprise, and let this wealth divide grow for decades and you’ll see you’ve successfully made a hole to trap people in. It’s not bigotry. Eve…

While Vietnam is a poor country, the quality of life for those who make $200/month is still good. It doesn't have the overtime or societal issues that Japan has. Vietnam has a better trajectory for its population count and does not face stagnation. What's the point of being a rich country if your people are broken inside? I know you're saying that countries can't develop themselves without external support, but I'm n…

Vietnam very much has overtime issues. Americans work more hours than Japanese. Many Viets work 6 days a week at typical office jobs which is more than both countries. Vietnam is currently rapidly trending to under replacement-level births.

I chose those examples because I’ve worked in each, but hours worked and birth rates really aren’t too relevant here. Vietnam was a nice country, but be honest: you wouldn’t want to live there making an average wage if you had a choice of living in a typical US or Japanese town with decent infrastructure and average wages.

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Post by bombcar »

survirtual wrote: post #207
bombcar wrote: post #156

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And three days is nothing when you could be without power for a week or more.

That statement was in a context of a paragraph about solar for wealthy people / upper middle class on a site with tech people who, coincidentally, near universally fall in that category. If you have solar, you won’t ever go 3 days without some energy generation. The 3 days of battery is mainly a buffer for night time when solar is offline.

I’m not sure where you might be, but there are parts of the world where storms can be thick enough to get nearly no solar power for more than three days - and some systems won’t produce anything useful unless they can get above a certain point.

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Post by bombcar »

pard68 wrote: post #197
bombcar wrote: post #143

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I suspect that most HN commentators do NOT know exactly how close to starvation and freezing and death they are (you can sit down and calculate it based on which assumptions could fail) but in the places where it gets cold you may be days or less if power fails. If your furnace can’t run without electricity how long does your house stay habitable? What backup heat do you have? If the gas lines are flowing you might b…

I too appreciate your comment. Most folks here are probably less prepared than those in these rural reservations. NYC area has begun warning about blackouts to conserve power. They don't even have a fireplace or woodstove to burn clothes in.

You only have to look at that Texas cold snap a few years back to see how many people were forced to overnight in idling cars.

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Post by bombcar »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #162
bombcar wrote: post #143

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I suspect that most HN commentators do NOT know exactly how close to starvation and freezing and death they are (you can sit down and calculate it based on which assumptions could fail) but in the places where it gets cold you may be days or less if power fails. If your furnace can’t run without electricity how long does your house stay habitable? What backup heat do you have? If the gas lines are flowing you might b…

I really love your comment because it helps reframe the requirements gathering and solutioning process (as well as the constraints you're operating within) for an audience that, under the right circumstances, can effectively direct their engineering experience and knowledge to solve real world problems.

Yeah it’s actually kind of “fun” in a way. What will fail first? Ok let’s mitigate that. What now fails first? Can we mitigate that without ruining the first fix? It’s like a survival Gantt chart!

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Post by triceratops »

wizwit999 wrote: post #347
dragoncrab wrote: post #49

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Heat is less likely to kill you directly if you aren't forced to do physical work without any protection. However, tens of thousands of square kilometers of agricultural land is turned to desert in Central Europe with every single degree the yearly average temperature rises. Droughts are decimating crops made for prices skyrocket even before the war in Ukraine. That has some harder to attribute but none of the less s…

I mean it works both ways, e.g. thousands of sq km of Russia and Canada become would likely become fertile agricultural land.

Not really. Russian and Canadian land will become warmer but does it have good topsoil?

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Post by boomboomsubban »

thinking4real wrote: post #356
boomboomsubban wrote: post #160

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_Native_Americans#G... Alcoholism rates among Native Americans is higher than most groups, which leads some to suspect a genetic reason. Currently, there isn't a ton of evidence supporting that idea.

It’s false to say there isn’t data and pier reviewed studies on the subject. The link is clear. However, there’s a lot of propaganda that will pretend otherwise. https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh301/3-4.htm

I'm confused. Why link what you seem to consider "propaganda" showing no genetic predisposition to alcoholism rather than link the clear proof you claim exists?

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Post by dragoncrab »

NorwegianDude wrote: post #341
dragoncrab wrote: post #49

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Heat is less likely to kill you directly if you aren't forced to do physical work without any protection. However, tens of thousands of square kilometers of agricultural land is turned to desert in Central Europe with every single degree the yearly average temperature rises. Droughts are decimating crops made for prices skyrocket even before the war in Ukraine. That has some harder to attribute but none of the less s…

That temperature drop sounds very unlikely. If you live in a well insulated home then you must have ventilation too, and that alone should replace the air inside multiple times each day.

I have measured this while being away for a week during winter.

While there is ventilation in the building, it's off while noone is at home.

Although the scenario in question was for a complete blackout where the ventillation would be off as anyway, your are right that people inside would need to open windows every now and then which would increase heat loss.

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Post by c-fe »

kzrdude wrote: post #95
c-fe wrote: post #77

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> I'd say most people, even in rural areas, don't have a supply that'll last longer than that, except for some hardcore preppers. I disagree. Or, at least where I live (densely populated europe), nearly everyone with their own house has at lease one (small) fireplace with some wood stored outside, typically enough for at least a month (otherwhise, do you go shopping wood every week?). Food-wise I agree that 8 days ma…

Whereabouts is this? Fireplaces are really not common in new developments (Sweden), but I'm not fond of new development houses anyway. It's a shame for a country with a tradition of beautiful and efficient wood fireplaces like these: https://www.land.se/hus-hem/skaffa-kakelugn-tips-och-rad-du-...

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