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How to Befriend Crows

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Re: How to Befriend Crows

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I grow up in a small village in eastern europe. It is amazing that you can befriend most of the animals. Chickens are too primitive for that, but cows turned out to be quite intelligent. You can do it the same as with crows, but you should start with a younger animal. You may bring a young cow something to eat and after some time it will recognize you. And they really love to be hand carded (this thing: https://en.wi…

There are plenty of videos of chickens and children getting along famously. The chicken running to greet the school bus, enjoying a cuddle, playing chase, enjoying being petted.

Heck, there are videos of lizards and fish enjoying being petted. Most every animal seems to enjoy being touched gently.

Re: How to Befriend Crows

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There are quite a few symbiotic relationships in nature. There are several examples where small birds, mammals, fish, or even some invertebrates clean much larger animals. The exchange straightforward, large animal gets clean smaller one eats the parasites, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleaning_symbiosis

> There are quite a few symbiotic relationships in nature. Yes, of course, but unless such a relationship is already established the odds are very much against a random encounter between different species being mutually beneficial.

The interesting bit around cleaning is the relationships are between individual animals rather than being species wide. Some species of fish for example will mix in removal of parasites with drinking some blood and larger animals eating the cleaners also happens.

Re: How to Befriend Crows

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I can vouch for this approach. I lived in the territory of a couple of ravens (close relatives of crows; just as smart and twice as large) and it took me maybe 18 months to build a close relationship. I started out just talking to them and throwing whole peanuts (roasted, unsalted) on the ground while I was doing it. They looked at me warily and did not come close. Later on, the peanuts would disappear, but I was nev…

If you have a pet parrot you can get a more personal glimpse of their intelligence. We have a cockatiel and it’s interesting to get to know another intelligent species from a different branch of the tree.

You will also get a more personal glimpse at their tyranny. I type this as my conure is having a fit because I wouldn’t share any French fries with him.

Re: How to Befriend Crows

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My Mum did this with magpies in Australia. She lives alone in a small rural town and started feeding these two magpies, that seemed to like her garden, with small pieces of meat. Over the course of a couple of years, the magpie pair even brought their chicks along for a free feed. At one point there were six or seven regular breakfast guests. One of the original magpies would practically eat our of my mother's hand,…

Similar to me, my experience has been that you barely have to feed them for them to become comfortable being around you. I had a couple at my last house, and they'd stand ~1 metre away whilst I dug furiously with shovels, picks. I remember one time one landed next to me and snatched half a sandwich from my hand and took off.

They get a bad rep as they swoop, however, they're fascinating and beautiful animals; from their social structures of forming lifelong relationships or forming gangs[1], to their ability to mimic[1].

[1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-12-11/magies-ten-th...

Re: How to Befriend Crows

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Steller Jays are also approachable. I'm a camp host. One started aggressively seeking food from campers. I took a close look at it and saw the one of the recent forest fires had damaged its feathers. It was desperate for food. I respected that bird. It did what it had to do to survive. I started feeding it. Next year when I returned to the campground, it showed up within an hour calling for food, and its feathers had…

The Stellers are a lot more shy than the scrub jays. Handfulls of peanuts in our front yard now and then leads to quite the show, with Stellers, Scrubs, and Crows all gathering around. Plus a gray squirrel or two.

Re: How to Befriend Crows

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I can’t confirm “befriending” crows, but I can confirm that you can make them your enemy. A while back I had found what I thought was an injured bird. I captured it and brought it to a rehabilitation center for wild birds. Turns out I had just capture a baby crow that hadn’t learned to fly yet, which explains why there were two other crows (parents) barking at me from trees as I tried to capture their chick. After th…

You are almost certainly actually right, the crows knew you and were pissed. It can get very bad, the crows whose child you stole can somehow tell all the other crows who you are too, even city-wide, and they can get very aggressive. You have gotten off easy so far.

Crows are incredible. And yeah, you can definitely make friends with them too. This Harper's article has some amazing stories of people making enemies, and also really touching stores of friendship.

> From then on, each time Adam or Dani walked onto their back deck, a crow would call out and the murder would reappear as if summoned, squawking so loudly that it was impossible to carry on a conversation. Sometimes the crows would dive-bomb them or attack Mona when she went out to pee. When Adam took the dog for a walk, the crows swooped low and followed them. He tried walking Mona in other neighborhoods, but the crows terrorized him there too. Adam and Dani felt under siege. They worried for Lina’s safety. “The crows are like the Mafia,” Dani told me a few weeks into their ordeal. They’d stopped going outside, she said, unless it was absolutely necessary. And because of the pandemic, they couldn’t really go anywhere else.

> The day Dani rescued Mona from the crows, a neighbor thought he’d spotted a fledgling in Mona’s mouth before the murder first descended. Dani and Adam weren’t so sure—they had never seen Mona attack a bird before. But it nevertheless occurred to them that they might be on some kind of crow hit list. Through online research, Adam learned that crows have an uncanny ability to recognize humans, assign them moral qualities, and pass this information on to other crows, even to future generations. Desperate, Adam took to Reddit. If you’re at war with the crows, post after post advised, your best option is to move.

https://harpers.org/archive/2021/04/the-crow-whisperer-anima...

They enlist a crow expert to help them apologize and make peace with the crows, and it does eventually work. Hope you don't ever need that advice!

Re: How to Befriend Crows

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My amateur theory is that talking makes you less likely to be a predator. You basically say “here I am”, Predators tend to be quiet and sneak up on their prey. I think the tone does indeed help somewhat in my experience.

I have an amateur theory that strange wildlife, unlike strange people, are made much more comfortable by avoiding eye contact. Parent comment would explain this observation: predators gaze upon their prey. (flipping the arrows around, I've seen the advice to dance tango, not so much with "snappiness" as is popularly supposed, but in a predatory manner: slow stalking, interspersed with rapid pounces)

Preference for eye contact varies with culture (among other factors). While people in a place like USA might regard a person who avoids eye contact as sneaky or untrustworthy, people in a place like Japan are more likely to regard direct eye contact as a sign that they are distrusted by the person.

Re: How to Befriend Crows

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Just from my experience as a cyclist in Amsterdam, crows are amazingly intelligent. They actually participate in traffic, and know the difference between bicycles, motor vehicles and light rail (they will get out of the way just-in-time for the first two, and happily ignore the latter if they're outside the profile of the train set). Pigeons, on the other hand, are the species that gave birth to the term 'bird brain'…

Pigeons are just about the most agile fliers in the bird world, so maybe they just feel that they are above needing "optimal strategies".

Re: How to Befriend Crows

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I can vouch for this approach. I lived in the territory of a couple of ravens (close relatives of crows; just as smart and twice as large) and it took me maybe 18 months to build a close relationship. I started out just talking to them and throwing whole peanuts (roasted, unsalted) on the ground while I was doing it. They looked at me warily and did not come close. Later on, the peanuts would disappear, but I was nev…

My amateur theory is that talking makes you less likely to be a predator. You basically say “here I am”, Predators tend to be quiet and sneak up on their prey. I think the tone does indeed help somewhat in my experience.

yeah, the more information you give the less danger others feel

Re: How to Befriend Crows

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> the Bayesian prior ... is very, very low. Felis Catus: OK, stubclaws, listen up. You're going to toil the fields and by the sweat of your brow fill up a barn to attract my mice. Got that? Agriculture, Architecture, the works? Good. I'd explain to you how to make laser pointers for chasing, but I doubt you'd understand ... your kind always has to work things out for themselves, anyway. Now go forth and do your best…

Is this from a book?

I'd read it, if so!
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