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Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House

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Post by adalacelove »

rascul wrote: post #18
serial_dev wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The freedom isn't even universally supported on the left It could be argued from a "leftist" position (whatever that means nowadays) that: it's mostly working class people that need to compete with immigrants. If the immigrants are undocumented or very poor, they are more likely to tolerate lower wages and unsafe working conditions, meaning that I (if I was a working class American) would have less negotiating powe…

> It could be argued from a "leftist" position (whatever that means nowadays) that: it's mostly working class people that need to compete with immigrants. If the immigrants are undocumented or very poor, they are more likely to tolerate lower wages and unsafe working conditions, meaning that I (if I was a working class American) would have less negotiating power when it comes to my wages and work conditions, as there…

And on a lot of countries the right has gained support within the working class

Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House

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Post by goodcanadian »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #9

I like this log used to protect the border: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.0108844,-73.3349375,3a,75y,1...

While the border looks extremely porous, the reality is that it is heavily monitored. You will be met by the police or border patrol if you cross in the wrong place or even if you simply loiter near the border.

EDIT: In response to the skepticism, here is a source: https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/us-canada-border-photos

This Photographer Spent Three Years Documenting The Canada-U.S. Border

Along the way, Rutkauskas found that the "longest undefended border in the world" is a lot more heavily policed than its reputation suggests.

Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House

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Post by Scoundreller »

goodcanadian wrote: post #22
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #9

I like this log used to protect the border: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.0108844,-73.3349375,3a,75y,1...

While the border looks extremely porous, the reality is that it is heavily monitored. You will be met by the police or border patrol if you cross in the wrong place or even if you simply loiter near the border. EDIT: In response to the skepticism, here is a source: https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/us-canada-border-photos This Photographer Spent Three Years Documenting The Canada-U.S. Border Along the way, Rutkaus…

I wouldn’t say “will”, but yeah, there is a risk.

Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House

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Post by djbusby »

red_phone wrote: post #8
ralph84 wrote: post #3

Looking at Google Maps it appears several other buildings in the area also straddle the border. The reporter mentioned an insurance dispute in passing, but it would be interesting to have more details on how it all works from a legal perspective. Presumably they get two different property tax bills. Are two different building codes enforced depending on which part of the building you're in?

I’d imagine many of the same considerations come into play when a structure straddles a state line in the US. I wonder how that’s handled?

Property taxes in NH&MA. But since the mailing address is NH no income tax.

Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House

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Post by lambdasquirrel »

klyrs wrote: post #6
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #2

It's interesting to see the efforts to lock down our once permeable borders succeeding in recent decades. It seems that for much of our history we had no issue with free passage across, but we have in my lifetime used the politics of fear to militarize our borders. Obviously some will disagree but this seems to me a regressive change.

Freedom of movement is tenuous, and one of the greater paradoxes of the modern "libertarian" movement. The freedom isn't even universally supported on the left -- democratic socialist countries rely on high taxes and low economic inequality to maintain their systems, which, the reasoning goes, is unsustainable in the face of an unrestricted influx of economic refugees.

Not sure why this is being downvoted.

> The freedom isn't even universally supported on the left

In the U.S., the left broadly supports immigration as well as freedom of movement. But if you take a peep at European politics, and even parts of the left in Canada, you might find that support for immigration and freedom-of-movement really is more complicated.

It's one of those weird usages of terminology that the left in the U.S. is described as "liberal." In Europe and Canada, liberal means center-right. But at least in this case, calling the American left liberal is appropriate.

Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House

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Post by blamazon »

goodcanadian wrote: post #22
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #9

I like this log used to protect the border: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.0108844,-73.3349375,3a,75y,1...

While the border looks extremely porous, the reality is that it is heavily monitored. You will be met by the police or border patrol if you cross in the wrong place or even if you simply loiter near the border. EDIT: In response to the skepticism, here is a source: https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/us-canada-border-photos This Photographer Spent Three Years Documenting The Canada-U.S. Border Along the way, Rutkaus…

I've spent time in a few of these wacky rural Canadian border places and for the places I went to, it didn't seem that likely one'd be caught in many spots, it's just the consequences if one does are potentially quite severe, and there's a pretty good degree of self policing of the honor system as word gets around a small town real fast. (Unless enough people wish to keep certain crossings secret... interesting idea.)

Although a somewhat common story I've heard is youths goofing around on ATVs or snowmobiles being intercepted and let off with a strict warning. Perhaps somewhat mythologically passed down generation to generation.

Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House

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Post by jupp0r »

no_wizard wrote: post #12

one piece that is omitted from this is how the border is enforced. From the looks of it, unless you’re looking at becoming employed here they don’t really check your citizenship. That’s a win in my book. Reminds me that when I was a kid you could travel to / from Canada without a passport (only nation with that privilege if I recall correctly) and now you can’t. I recall no real good reasoning for it other than the D…

This is completely normal inside the EU. You barely notice you're in another country sometimes.

Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House

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Post by morelisp »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #20
morelisp wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only Canada; also Bermuda and fewer restrictions for Mexico. All gone now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Travel_Init...

The page you linked mentions several non-passport alternatives. Yes, the requirements are stricter in that you have to prove citizenship in some way but there are multiple ways to do that which are WHTI-compliant.

You mean all the things just as hard to get as a passport, some invented specifically to be used for this new program? Sure, I guess you could get one of those instead. But there's no reason to get one of them rather than a passport except as a fig leaf for people to say a passport "isn't mandatory".

Or, and bear with me for a second, we could have kept freedoms we had on September 10th, 2001.

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