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Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Instances of "slamming into a jersey barrier" are on highways and by definition involve the legacy Autopilot stack and not the FSD beta vision stack. I agree that the tesla bros are extremely cringe, but I'm equally unimpressed with criticisms that rely upon ignorance of basic facts about the thing being criticised. Tesla is deserving of a lot of criticism for a lot of things, but they are clear about the distinction…

humans don't crash into shaded jersey barriers, as a tesla famously did. contrast adaptation of CCDs pale in comparison to that of the retina. there a ton of literature on contrast adaptation in the retina and in neuroscience in general, i would suggest you look there

> humans don't crash into shaded jersey barriers

They literally do, which is why jersey barriers are literally designed with vehicular impact in mind.

> contrast adaptation of CCDs

You can't just mix terminology like that. Contrast adaptation describes behaviour in biological systems which isn't analogous to anything a CCD does. There's a reason why literally nobody uses the term to describe digital systems, because it's not relevant.

If you were trying to say that the CCD doesn't have sufficient dynamic range, then just say that instead of using a term which doesn't describe dynamic range.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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> Right now if you dropped a Waymo and Tesla FSD on an unsealed road in Michigan, one of them will drive at least as well as a human learner driver and the other will probably refuse to move One will drive and likely get into an accident, and the other will responsibly not do what it wasn't designed for. But if you took away Waymo's responsible disposition, I'm sure it would drive better than the Tesla, because it's…

> One will drive and likely get into an accident What are you basing this prediction on? There is extensive independent documented video evidence of FSD beta driving and navigating on unsealed roads in Michigan with no human intervention required. This includes driving at night, in the rain, and with a diverse array of obstacles. > [Waymo is] just way further along in development This may well be true. However there'…

As someone who works at one of the "actual AV companies", there are just as many examples of FSD making mistakes that show Tesla's approach is broken in unacceptable ways, so assuming it will get in an accident is very fair.

What laypeople don't seem to get is that AV mistakes don't follow the same "scale of alarm" as human mistakes.

Tesla is making mistakes that, for a human, might not be world ending, but for an AV make absolutely no sense.

Things like recognizing it needs to make a turn and making no attempt at all to slow down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wGAyAN3iRo

Or recognizing a vehicle is in its path and not even trying to slow down: https://youtu.be/6wGAyAN3iRo?t=21

Or recognizing a stop sign and ignoring it to follow the car in front: https://youtu.be/21ShKWLAnWA?t=548

Classification issues in AVs are supposed to be the achilles heel, but Tesla is still running into situations where perception works correctly and the AV just completely ignores ground rules that any serious AV must be built around.

> Was the 15th Avenue incident resolved by human intervention or an improvement to the stack? To what extent is their vision and planning stacks capable of universality or over-fitted to regional specifics? No objective analysis is possible, so no comparison is possible.

It doesn't matter when the product you're comparing it to ignores stop signs. Tesla's FSD approach is the definition of the local maxima problem for AVs. It makes progress on the axis that impresses lay people by sacrificing progress on the axes that matter to the long term success of an AV. Geofencing and arbitrary sensor limitations are just the tip of that iceberg...

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