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Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery – Bad Writing

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Re: Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery – Bad Writing

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As a writer, you can choose to convey character and plot points in many different ways. You don’t have to use things that are considered “hip” at the time of writing. It seems to me that Johnson’s foremost concern was having all those elements in the film, after which he reverse engineered some of the character and plot points you’re talking about.

You don't have to have anything in a movie. The question isn't "why include hip things", the question is "were those hip things just tacked in". They weren't. They served a purpose. You could replace them with some generic thing, I suppose. But how would that make the movie better? Meanwhile, if you eliminate them, the story gets worse. Unlike most product placements, which are at best removable background and at wor…

I don’t know if they were tacked on, exactly, but they seemed to be the purpose rather than a tool.

If you showed the NYC skyline in 2003, you’d have to go out of your way to show the Twin Towers. Edward Norton saying how “pando” changed things, on the other hand, is going out of your way in the opposite direction.

I feel like the early-00s equivalent of this movie would be the CGI dancing baby on Ally McBeal (“justified” by the character’s ticking biological clock), except almost every scene would have one such meme or topical reference.

Re: Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery – Bad Writing

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> “Spoilers” can mean spoilers for anything. Honestly, if you're reading an article about movie X , then IMHO it is reasonable to assume that any spoiler warnings would be specific to movie X . If an article is going to spoil movies A , B , and C as well, then the spoiler warning text should make note of that.

I think that it's fair to be upset that a newly released movie was spoiled for you. I think it's silly to expect that nobody will ever talk about the details of a movie that hasn't been in theaters for half a decade.

I don’t think it upset me really- more so surprised. Still feels like it was just released recently, but I suppose time perception is funny that way.

Interesting discussion on movie discussion etiquette though. I never really considered how much time is “long enough” to get into a movie’s plot details.

Re: Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery – Bad Writing

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Hey, y’all. Article author here. I know this is a divisive one. But just wanted to say whether you agree or not that I appreciate you taking the time to read and discuss.

If you have any direct questions, let me know and I’ll do my best to answer.

Have a great end of 2022 and start of 2023!

Re: Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery – Bad Writing

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The joy of a whodunit is being given just enough clues to feel like we could have solved it ourselves by the end. If the Cassandra/Helen twist had been the reveal, I would agree it felt like cheating. But because it's halfway through, it just becomes another layer of clues given to us so that we can figure out, along with Leblanc, that the real twist is that this entire film is about how stupid and simple everything has been all along.

Re: Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery – Bad Writing

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Glass Onion takes the well-worn detective genre and creates some genuinely surprising moments by "cheating" a little with what it shows the audience. This article says it should have played it straight. I think that would have made for a more standard, boring movie. But whatever, that's just opinion. But I think it is silly to call it bad writing. Bad implies that the writer didn't have command of their craft. It is…

> creates some genuinely surprising moments by "cheating" a little I haven't seen the movie yet, but I know this much: you can't cheat . If you do, and you keep some fundamental fact hidden until the last minute, or if you use some kind of magic, or if the murderer was a complete outsider, or if the victim died by accident and nobody's guilty, or, God forbid! if it turns out the victim isn't actually dead, or it was…

So with your typical Agatha Christie flick, you must catch some subtle clue(s), make your bet, and then feel clever about it because some dimwits that didn't pay attention or just aren't as smart didn't figure it out.

Spare me the pat on the back. Or oh! the plot twist. That's not what makes a movie, although it certainly can break it.

Re: Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery – Bad Writing

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I admit that I have also wondered whether there is any allusion to Elon, mainly because he is a notorious eccentric CEO. Nevertheless, I have been amused by this movie much more than I assume that most of its viewers have been, because Miles Bron, more than resembling what I know about Elon, had an uncanny resemblance to the CEO of a startup where I have worked some years ago. The resemblance was complete, in behavio…

The show is a far better sendoff of the mid-2010’s tech bro than anything on HBO’s Silicon Valley

It's absolutely wild to see people on this forum of all places saying they can't relate to the characters' social interactions. Thanks for a laugh even after the film is over, Rian.

Re: Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery – Bad Writing

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post #48

Glass Onion takes the well-worn detective genre and creates some genuinely surprising moments by "cheating" a little with what it shows the audience. This article says it should have played it straight. I think that would have made for a more standard, boring movie. But whatever, that's just opinion. But I think it is silly to call it bad writing. Bad implies that the writer didn't have command of their craft. It is…

> creates some genuinely surprising moments by "cheating" a little I haven't seen the movie yet, but I know this much: you can't cheat . If you do, and you keep some fundamental fact hidden until the last minute, or if you use some kind of magic, or if the murderer was a complete outsider, or if the victim died by accident and nobody's guilty, or, God forbid! if it turns out the victim isn't actually dead, or it was…

> you can't cheat.

We may strongly disagree here, but I think "cheating" is an essential part of great movie making.

A good movie is all about telling a great story in an immersive way. If the director "cheats" her way through that story, be it for budgetary reasons or even to just move the story forward in a way that grips you, well, more power to her.

Re: Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery – Bad Writing

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Maybe you should add a spoiler warning. BTW I thought the punishment was very good writing. As long as he's rich, all will lie to protect him. Once the source of his money - which is he reputation of Klear - is destroyed, all of them stop lieing to cover for him. I thought it highlighted their hypocrisy exceptionally well.

Imo if you destroy the Mona Lisa to punish a person, you don't punish a person, you destroy the Mona Lisa.

I agree, and this plot point unsuspends my disbelief more than any others.

Re: Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery – Bad Writing

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Hey, y’all. Article author here. I know this is a divisive one. But just wanted to say whether you agree or not that I appreciate you taking the time to read and discuss. If you have any direct questions, let me know and I’ll do my best to answer. Have a great end of 2022 and start of 2023!

I enjoyed your take. I didn’t agree with every point you made, but I was sympathetic enough to appreciate them.

Re: Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery – Bad Writing

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To be honest, once I saw the direct allusions to Elon Musk in the build up of the film I thought... oh this is going to be annoying. When the conclusion of the film was "Hey! You know that guy! You know how he seems really stupid but everyone asserts he's a genius? Well guess what! He's a fucking idiot!"... well, I had a strong suspicion how a certain segment of people would react to this movie.

> Thematically, Glass Onion is showing how terrible people gain power.

I don't think that assertion is even close to correct. In fact, I think you have to work pretty hard to avoid seeing the actual theme. It's called Glass Onion for gods' sakes. It's not about terrible people. It's about appearances! It's about seeing people for what they are! It's called Glass Onion. What happens when you peel back the layers of a glass onion? It looks exactly the same. I don't know how to explain how much more obvious the theme was meant to be other than continually repeating the name of the movie... Look, read the name of the movie, that's the theme.

I think trying to get ou the rule book for this movie and scoring it is an unsatisfying prospect, because it doesn't play by those rules, so it doesn't care.

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