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Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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This triggered two thoughts for me. First, how much of a killer the cold is. We've moved on from "global warming" to "climate change" language but there are a lot of places in the world that would be grateful for a few degree temperature rise (such as Latvia where I am from). Today, cold kills hundreds of thousands of people a year, while "heat deaths" are limited to geriatrics in the "first world." Second, preparedn…

Net zero will make this more common, sadly, either through energy insecurity or people being unable to afford to heat their homes.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

#32
post #26

I’m astounded by the family who didn’t feed their infant for 4 days because they couldn’t get formula. Isn’t breast feeding preferable to your child starving to death?

When you haven't breastfeed your baby the entirety of their infancy the breast milk dries up. The mother can no longer breastfeed their baby because their body thinks that their baby is all grown up (or dead) because it hasn't been drinking the milk.

You can't just choose to breastfeed on a dime like that, you have to breastfeed from the beginning and continue on to keep up the milk supply. This is of course assuming you have sufficient capacity in the breasts to keep the baby alive in the first place, something not all women have these days.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still use them for insulation.. I doubt polyester or cotton would burn very long.

Insulation doesn't provide warmth, it only reduces the rate of heat loss. If it's already so cold you are looking for things in your home to burn for heat, using clothes to insulate it (rather than burn them) isn't going to help. But that's not the point, the dire situation with little support is the point.

You don't insulate the house; you insulate your body. If you're at the point of burning clothes to heat the house, heating the house is already a lost cause unless you have a lot of clothes.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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post #26

I’m astounded by the family who didn’t feed their infant for 4 days because they couldn’t get formula. Isn’t breast feeding preferable to your child starving to death?

Breast feeding is not always possible, some women are unable to nurse for various reasons and in some rare cases babies can have an allergic reaction to things in their mother's breast milk (that makes it way in from the mother's diet). There are probably other reasons I'm not aware of that could be in play, too.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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This triggered two thoughts for me. First, how much of a killer the cold is. We've moved on from "global warming" to "climate change" language but there are a lot of places in the world that would be grateful for a few degree temperature rise (such as Latvia where I am from). Today, cold kills hundreds of thousands of people a year, while "heat deaths" are limited to geriatrics in the "first world." Second, preparedn…

In addition to the above, learn how to start a fire in your fireplace. I had used up my last (easy start) duraflame log a few days ago. "No problem," I thought to myself, "I have this pile of firewood here to use." Fortunately I wasn't under a time crunch to get it started, because I failed on a few attempts, had to forage for some kindling, etc.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

#36

This triggered two thoughts for me. First, how much of a killer the cold is. We've moved on from "global warming" to "climate change" language but there are a lot of places in the world that would be grateful for a few degree temperature rise (such as Latvia where I am from). Today, cold kills hundreds of thousands of people a year, while "heat deaths" are limited to geriatrics in the "first world." Second, preparedn…

> We've moved on from "global warming" to "climate change" language

Presumably because during winter certain people would point at a freak snowstorm and say "so much for global warming!" to try to minimise it (tbh they still do). Temperature rising has a few more side-effects than just your winter being milder by 1-2C, I think using a different term is entirely appropriate

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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post #26

I’m astounded by the family who didn’t feed their infant for 4 days because they couldn’t get formula. Isn’t breast feeding preferable to your child starving to death?

Some women just can't. I guess they didn't have cow milk or whatever either.

Otherwise, I guess feeding the baby cow milk is preferable to not eating?

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

#39
post #5

Seems like it would be the last thing I’d burn for warmth…

Yeah, i had to burn furniture once in a slightly similar freeze situation.

In a survival situation, do what you have to do. That being said, I suspect you really do not want to be next to a modern-furniture fire. Almost certainly full of the worst glues, insecticides, anti-flammables (ha), etc.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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post #36

This triggered two thoughts for me. First, how much of a killer the cold is. We've moved on from "global warming" to "climate change" language but there are a lot of places in the world that would be grateful for a few degree temperature rise (such as Latvia where I am from). Today, cold kills hundreds of thousands of people a year, while "heat deaths" are limited to geriatrics in the "first world." Second, preparedn…

> We've moved on from "global warming" to "climate change" language Presumably because during winter certain people would point at a freak snowstorm and say "so much for global warming!" to try to minimise it (tbh they still do). Temperature rising has a few more side-effects than just your winter being milder by 1-2C, I think using a different term is entirely appropriate

No, because they are both accurate descriptions, but "global warming" is talking about the average temp. Even as the average goes up, the standard deviation could change too, meaning that even with higher average temp, there can be bigger and colder winter storms, which are balanced out by even higher temps the rest of the time.
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