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Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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Greenwald stuck to his guns as he always did when his audience decided that they'd rather embrace the overbearing/surveillance state as long as the court jester didn't win the election again, that's how I see it at least. I'd like to give a less flippant answer but I honestly can't see any difference in his views now and back then, both in US coverage and Brazil's coverage.

I agree he’s stayed the same, but what was revealed was not some deeply held value system beyond contrarianism for contrarianism and attention’s sake. There was a fascistic attempt to overthrow the government, and the best I can surmise is that Greenwald took the side of the overthrowers because any other journalist with eyes and even the slightest care for truth could see what happened. So he chose to take the path…

could you give me an example of him "taking the side" of trump? all I remember is him trying to not be fast and loose with the facts to beat the dead horse the entire media was already doing, themselves unconcerned with the truth and more concerned with their soapbox to repeat what the previous 20 journalists already said. Unless bringing up pretty valid skepticism is now being a hipster journalist.

What was the second outlet he was ousted from? I know of the intercept sure, and he was ousted because he wanted to cover the biden laptop, they kept claiming he couldn't(not only in the intercept itself but anywhere else) because it wasn't really true and now...well we all know how that turned out.

Calling him a hipster journalist unconcerned with the truth is just a flat out lie, especially if you conveniently ignore all his ongoing work in brazil. He was one of the main reasons the current president is not in jail and defeated bolsonaro in the elections, something which bolsonaro attempted to prosecute him for, and now with lula in power he an extreme critic of the censorship the supreme court is using to silence people, the same people that absolutely hate him for getting lula out and ousting bolsonaro.

He is an example of being steadfast in his beliefs against censorship and surveillance state, just because the vast majority of journalists are actually reporters parroting whatever party line the newsroom toes at the time doesn't mean someone who actually sticks to his ideals is a hipster.

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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post #392

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>Where are all those “it’s a private company they can do what they like” folks now? I haven’t seen that posted recently. Those people were responding to arguments that social media platforms banning people, moderating content or even presenting content under an algorithmic feed were violations of the First Amendment, Section 230 and freedom of speech, by pointing out that all of these actions are allowed by the afore…

So, when Twitter banned the NY Post at the recommendation of the FBI, that wasn’t an issue? I don’t see how suspending a few journalists for 12 hours and being directly able to point to their existing TOS is the same thing.

These bans weren’t under “their existing TOS”. The policy was rewritten after banning @elonjet to justify it retroactively.

The bans weren’t 12 hours. They were eventually announced as week-long ones; Musk backed down after backlash and his public poll resulted in a “unban now” vote.

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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> Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. That's the Constitutional definition of treason in the United States. Who's levying war against the United States here?

The 'intelligence agancies'? Like in cases of a coup, when an institution that is part of the governmental body tries to take over the state by force. It seems pretty similar, just that the means are more peaceful.

“It’s the same, except it isn’t” is gonna be a tough treason prosecution.

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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post #450

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Ahh yes, the southern strategy also know as "to win elections in the south we should do what the Democrats are doing" Go ahead and tell me when the parties "switched": https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_senato...

I would suggest reading the link I gave you previously, which covers the evolution in detail.

No it doesn't.

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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post #442

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I guess you haven't been following? FBI gets Hunter laptop Dec 2019, knows it's not a forgery. FBI proceeds to warn social media companies about "Russian disinformation campaigns" about a month or two before election. NY Post does story on Hunter laptop (which includes business dealing with Ukraine). "Former" intelligence agents go on media to say "this has all the markings of a disinformation campaign" (which they k…

How does a stolen laptop of Biden’s son change the election?

Ask the 50 spook liars, including the formers heads of the CIA and FBI, that made the effort to release a statement calling it "Russian disinformation". They seemed to think it might have an impact.

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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post #442

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I guess you haven't been following? FBI gets Hunter laptop Dec 2019, knows it's not a forgery. FBI proceeds to warn social media companies about "Russian disinformation campaigns" about a month or two before election. NY Post does story on Hunter laptop (which includes business dealing with Ukraine). "Former" intelligence agents go on media to say "this has all the markings of a disinformation campaign" (which they k…

How does a stolen laptop of Biden’s son change the election?

Good question!

Another way of asking that is - why was so much effort put into squashing the story if there is nothing there of concern?

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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> Are they supposed to be helping the CIA get around their mandate not to interfere domestically? In that domestic in intelligence/counterintelligence is the FBIs job, and that they are expected to do it as part of and in close coordination with other parts of the intelligence community including the CIA, yes, but its not getting around anything since its exactly the way things are supposed to work.

> In its 1947 charter, the CIA was prohibited from spying against Americans, in part because President Truman was afraid that the agency would engage in political abuse. But the law didn't stop the CIA from spying on Americans. During the 1960s, in clear violation of its statutory mission to co-ordinate foreign intelligence operations only, the CIA ventured into the domestic spying business through "Operation Chaos,"…

GP is not defending illegal domestic surveillance of protest movements by the CIA. They are explaining that the CIA handing any domestic concerns it has to the FBI is what the law prescribes, not a circumvention of the law. Note that and we can recognize this is how the law works, and still condemn any unjust actions they partake in together or even the intelligence apparatus as a whole. Indeed, our objections would be better informed and more sound as a result.

This isn't apologia.

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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The 'intelligence agancies'? Like in cases of a coup, when an institution that is part of the governmental body tries to take over the state by force. It seems pretty similar, just that the means are more peaceful.

“It’s the same, except it isn’t” is gonna be a tough treason prosecution.

If someone kills someone in a novel way its still murder right?

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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“It’s the same, except it isn’t” is gonna be a tough treason prosecution.

If someone kills someone in a novel way its still murder right?

Not necessarily. It might be manslaughter, or justifiable homicide, or a number of other things based on the facts of the case.

The FBI telling Twitter about potential TOS violations is treasonous as this comment is murderous, i.e. not at all.

Re: The FBI was the primary link between the intelligence community and Twitter

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post #294

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This doesn't mean the government can't make requests to private companies, including the press.

Government “requests” are usually treated as directives, since it’s well understood that they have many seemingly unrelated ways to make life difficult for a company and its officers.

That’s not even true for Twitter.

https://transparency.twitter.com/en/reports/removal-requests...:

> Overall, Twitter withheld or otherwise removed some or all of the reported content in response to 51% of global legal demands, down 5% from the previous reporting period.

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