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How tech’s defiance of economic gravity came to an abrupt end

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Re: How tech’s defiance of economic gravity came to an abrupt end

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When the DotCom bubble burst, and after 2009, traffic in the Bay Area cleared up. Commuting time got cut by half. Homes in many neighborhoods, apart from the very best school districts, became attainable. It was the same in 2001, BTW.

DotCom bubble == 2001

Hmm, how did I miss that?

Re: How tech’s defiance of economic gravity came to an abrupt end

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Has it? Capitalism is based on supply and demand, and where those two lines intersect is where the magic happens. Except that we've never adapted it to the reality of, well, computers and the Internet. The price of duplicating a pile of bits, whether it be a Linux ISO, Windows 11, or the latest Disney movie is effectively zero*. Or textbooks to spread human knowledge around. A graph of supply and demand, where supply…

The supply and demand curve model is either tautologically true (when applied in retrospect), or essentially entirely useless (if you try to use it to model a future product/price).

The cost of reprodcuing a pile of bits is quite unimportant compared to the cost of producing that pile of bits the first time around. This dynamic is poorly captured by supply/demand, and this is where copyright laws have always come in. While they are being abused with absurd expiry limits, they are a necessary part of any kind of money-based society.

Without copyright, for-profit companies would insist on ever more draconian DRM and software obfuscation technologies to replicate similar systems, while liberally taking any piece of code they can get their hands on - whether open-source or from another company with inadequate copy protections.

This basic problem would remain true even if all software and media companies were worker owned syndicalist co-ops.

Re: How tech’s defiance of economic gravity came to an abrupt end

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M&A and Private equity activity is down at the moment but it’s only down from the record high of post-covid liquidity.

We had a year of uncertainty and semi stockpiling and then when the recovery steps were clearer a huge amount of pent-up investment happened in the following 12-18 months.

Sentiment is mostly negative right now but deals are still being made, where they make sense.

Re: How tech’s defiance of economic gravity came to an abrupt end

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

DotCom bubble == 2001

Hmm, how did I miss that?

I think those of us who lived through the 90s and 00s have a hard time counterdiscombobulating all the stuff that went down. People who experienced the 60s and 70s probably have similar difficulty.

Re: How tech’s defiance of economic gravity came to an abrupt end

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The marginal costs of production are near zero effectively. The marginal costs of acquiring and retaining a customer are far from zero for a lot of overvalued enterprise saas companies.

Indeed. The economics that OP stipulate, do not factor in interest rate and cost of labour (engineers).

Given the Internet, the cost of labor for distribution of digital goods over that is cheap as all hell when compared to the cost of labor to distribute any sort of physical good because first you have make copies of this physical good, which starts off by requiring additional raw material input.

Say we've got this mp4 file that everyone wants. Let's use bittorrent for our digital distribution. So we need to: create a torrent, upload it, and then keep their computer on for a couple more hours? Let's pay $400 for the job. I think it's well within the realm for a clever teenager to do it, or a rando you find off of Upwork or Fiverr, that who knows what they're doing, to finish the first two steps in an hour, so I think that rate is plenty generous. But let's also pay for their Internet connection for the month ($100), and a cheapo laptop to do this work on ($500). This brings our digital distribution costs including the cost of labor, using bittorrent, to be able to make billions of copies to be... $1000?

Even if you pay an engineer to do that job, labor doesn't get residuals, so aren't paid for each copy made, so the cost of labor, whatever it is, is essentially flat. Compared to if you were trying to copy and distribute a physical good, the more copies you make, the higher your costs and $1000 just isn't going to get you far at all.

I'm more interested in what you mean by interest rate though, mind explaining how that fits in here a bit further?

Re: How tech’s defiance of economic gravity came to an abrupt end

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Isn't it kind of odd how everyone shouts that inflation is good for stocks, etc when the Fed is known for raising interest during times of high inflation?

By that I mean if something grows faster than inflation plus earnings and it is an inflation hedge or at least the revenue is dependent on inflation and therefore it's valuation grows with inflation, then it must come down at some point and here is the kicker, only businesses that actually manage to sell products and generate revenue are actually benefiting from that inflation. So when faced with higher interest rates, only those business will have an easy time.

So what matters here is nominal revenue and nominal interest, not the actual real interest rate. 4% interest at 8% inflation still has a big impact, even though in real terms it is still negative.

Re: How tech’s defiance of economic gravity came to an abrupt end

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With all industries are converting to software and every person on the planet moving towards owning a smartphone it surprises me that there’s an ongoing narrative that tech is collapsing.

Tech =|= software =|= start-up. Those three things are unrelated, and the tendency to equate tech with software let a lot of issues on all fronts in the last decade or so.

Re: How tech’s defiance of economic gravity came to an abrupt end

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When the DotCom bubble burst, and after 2009, traffic in the Bay Area cleared up. Commuting time got cut by half. Homes in many neighborhoods, apart from the very best school districts, became attainable. This has yet to happen. Unemployment is still quite low. The music is just starting.

The dominant narrative among investors and funds, at least in my domain (web3, tech investing) has been that "Fed will pivot soon, and the party will start anew". As long as that narrative remains strong, nobody will dump everything. New investment might stall, but no panic in the ranks. The real panic will set when the pivot does not happen. Or if it does happen and inflation comes roaring back, leading to a longer…

> Or if it does happen and inflation comes roaring back,

This happened in the late 70s/early 80s. Volcker made this mistake and had to jack rates a second time leading to a second recession deeper and longer than the first.

The current Fed has referred to this in recent speeches. I don’t think they’ll make the same mistake.

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