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Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

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Post by kosh2 »

echelon wrote: post #104
lolinder wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with ChatGPT as a replacement for Google is that it was not designed to produce accurate facts, and it shows. This model cut its teeth writing articles about the discovery of unicorns in the Andes[0] for goodness sake! It's a language model, and a very impressive one at that, but language is used to express falsehoods and fiction just as regularly as it is used to express truth. This doesn't mean that it…

These are early days. Everything is going to move faster than you can keep up. You'll see head-turning headlines on a daily basis. Next year will see AI begin to disrupt so many businesses you'd thought were absolutely impenetrable. I don't think anything is safe anymore. By the end of the decade, I think even manufacturing and robotics will be automated. Everyone from McDonalds to Apple and Ford will feel the pressu…

Well, there's one thing that humans are much better than robots for the forseeable future: Energy efficiency. Try building a robot that contains a general purpose AI and the motoric functions and sense as humans that runs on the energy of three meals.

Now of course humans want and need more than just 3 meals but still pretty good.

But if most of your work consist of interfacing with computers, you might be in trouble.

Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

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Post by notahacker »

spiderice wrote: post #223
dinkumthinkum wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It gives literally the same argument for 42 being prime as 23.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I just asked it to argue that 42 is a prime number, and it clearly knew it wasn't and even said multiple times that the agument is just pretend/hypothetical: ________ Me: Make an argument for why 42 is a prime number ChatGPT: 42 is not a prime number. It is a composite number, meaning it is the product of two smaller numbers. Me: But pretend it is a prime number and make that a…

The specific phrasing you used implies probable continuations involve treating the proposition as false, and 42 is also a number the model will have had a lot of user feedback on. Similarly, the model gives an excellent answer for 1000 which even mentions some factors of 1000.

On the other hand

> Is 355 a prime number?

> Yes, 355 is a prime number. A prime number is a positive integer that has no positive integer divisors other than 1 and itself. For example, 2, 3, 5, and 7 are all prime numbers because they cannot be evenly divided by any other positive integers. 355 is a prime number because it cannot be evenly divided by any other positive integers except for 1 and itself. It is not divisible by 2, 3, 4, 5, or any other smaller positive integers.

Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

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Post by seydor »

franze wrote: post #312

I needed to write an official letter today. I could have written it myself, but that would take some effort. I could google it, scroll past the ads. Click on the first result, hope it is kinda what I need. On that page scroll past the ads and SEO blabla-text. Copy the information that I need. Paste it in a doc. Rewrite it to what I need. Fill in my information. I went to ChatGPT told him what kind of letter I need. T…

However, google's business is ads. I wonder to what extent the bot will verge into that ecosystem. I can see people prefering to use this as a subscription service instead

Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

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Post by throwaway2214 »

maybe not search engines, but it has totally replaced stackoverflow and google for searching for docs or even wikipedia in some sense (e.g. make alpha blend between two argb uint32 pixels)

google has been going progressively worse to find what i need, sometimes i even have to go to second page, wasting time clicking on bullshit markov chain seo sites to find out how to parse date in whatever new language i am learning

with chatgpt: parse a date from string in the v programming language, try googling that

Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

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Post by jddj »

gloosx wrote: post #294
gukov wrote: post #22

The way I see it: - Today's search engines will give you links to millions of documents - ChatGPT, if asked correctly, will instead generate one perfect document based on millions of the documents To me, that's a clear evolution of the search engine, especially with all the SEO & ad spam that's plaguing Google and others currently. I wasn't ready to pay a monthly fee for an ad-free Google. I am ready to pay for somet…

>one perfect document based on millions of the documents this literally sounds like a super-lossy compression, who would ever want this? People want crystal-clear, lossless information from original source, not a compressed mess with random artifacts.

> who would ever want this?

Anyone who has ever asked anyone to prepare a list of anything.

Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

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Post by kosh2 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #178
gukov wrote: post #22

The way I see it: - Today's search engines will give you links to millions of documents - ChatGPT, if asked correctly, will instead generate one perfect document based on millions of the documents To me, that's a clear evolution of the search engine, especially with all the SEO & ad spam that's plaguing Google and others currently. I wasn't ready to pay a monthly fee for an ad-free Google. I am ready to pay for somet…

> ChatGPT, if asked correctly, will instead generate one perfect document based on millions of the documents This is the "self-driving cars will obviously be better than human drivers given that they're trained on millions of humans' driving behavior" of chatbots. In my experience, this is a huge stretch and wishful thinking.

Self-driving cars are much more difficult than one might think because the AI has to interface with the real world, something that humans have evolved for over millions of years.

Like others have said, worry more about every job that primarily interfaces with a computer.

Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

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Post by numpad0 »

gukov wrote: post #22

The way I see it: - Today's search engines will give you links to millions of documents - ChatGPT, if asked correctly, will instead generate one perfect document based on millions of the documents To me, that's a clear evolution of the search engine, especially with all the SEO & ad spam that's plaguing Google and others currently. I wasn't ready to pay a monthly fee for an ad-free Google. I am ready to pay for somet…

- A document search engine, in its prototypical forms, finds a document matching queries, whereas,

- Modern Google Search, and ChatGPT too, tries to answer a question.

And here is the difference. A document search engine does not answer any questions.

Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

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Post by marginalia_nu »

shellfishgene wrote: post #253
blondin wrote: post #191

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my bet is on chatbots replacing Google Search and other search engines. people will stop tolerating their shenanigans. i have, myself, seen what is possible. and i am not setting that bar low ever again. the other time, ChatGPT taught me, right in the chat, about a CSS animation feature i didn't know about. with full example code. i proceeded to ask a trick question. i knew where to go for more in-depth information b…

From all we've learned in the last decades the best way to make money on their AI assistant for a company will be too allow advertisers to pay for being preferred in the AI's answers. ChatGPT is a beta experiment and very neutral it seems, but considering the cost to run it there is no way it will stay like that.

The BonziBuddy-model is another business model for AI assistants that seems attractive, where even if it doesn't try to sell you stuff, it spy on you and sell information to information brokers.

Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

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Post by noitpmeder »

echelon wrote: post #112
lolinder wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not questioning the AI revolution, I'm questioning the applicability of large generative language models to information retrieval. We need a different kind of model for that, not just a few tweaks here and there to this one.

Given everything we've seen in the last year alone, I'd not gamble against that kind of model being just around the corner. I can think up architectures I could draw on a napkin that could do this. Focused research teams will nail this. It's coming.

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