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The Psychedelic Inspiration for Hypercard (2018)

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Re: The Psychedelic Inspiration for Hypercard (2018)

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Post by Daub »

dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #11
Daub wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> HC was about creating not browsing. Let us not forget that the very first web browsers had an edit button.

I did not know that… Mosaic had an edit button? What did it do?

The WorldWideWeb (Tim Berner Lee’s first web browser) was both a browser and editor. Also, most browser precursors that preceded it did not differentiate between consumer and author.

The WorldWideWeb entry in Wikipedia tells us that the first browsers which did not feature editing were known as ‘passive browsers’. Passive indeed.

This is the internet we nearly had.

Re: The Psychedelic Inspiration for Hypercard (2018)

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Post by noduerme »

digitailor wrote: post #13

Thanks for this Xmas present, benbreen. I was reading Mondo2000 in the early 90s as a prepubescent while learning HyperCard. It ended up making me good friends at a particularly insane time of NYC history. I figured out how to produce music with HyperCard, using audio samples, with the 8-bit mono 22khz audio-in on the Macintosh IIsi. Using a program called Soundedit, I could build, chop and render multitrack audio fi…

The Hypercard > SuperCard > Macromedia Director > Flash > Air (side shout out to proce55ing) method of letting kids make art and learn code seems like it's become a dead branch on the evolutionary tree whose trunk is now web standards and (bewilderingly) javascript. It's gotten fragmented to the point where to do these kinds of things you need to get a ton of separate packages and knowledge of code. It's amazing that a 9 year old could do this back in 1989 or so.

What's really needed is a VM or just a compiler to web standards that gives this kind of open-ended creativity and focuses on the user experience for a broad spectrum from kids to creative professionals. And one that's open source, finally, and not locked to a hardware platform or a creative cloud subscription.

Re: The Psychedelic Inspiration for Hypercard (2018)

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Post by Daub »

dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #11
Daub wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> HC was about creating not browsing. Let us not forget that the very first web browsers had an edit button.

I did not know that… Mosaic had an edit button? What did it do?

Regarding Mosaic in particular, Wikipedia tells us that:

> Mosaic was the first browser to explore the concept of collaborative annotation in 1993 but never passed the test state.

Re: The Psychedelic Inspiration for Hypercard (2018)

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Post by KhoomeiK »

> "It seemed to me the universe is in a process of coming alive. Consciousness is blossoming and propagating to colonize the universe, and life on Earth is one of many bright spots in the cosmic birth of consciousness."

I had much the similar feeling during my first LSD trip, but haven't met too many others who shared this same idea. Life is the means by which the Universe organizes and becomes aware of itself. It's our Darwninistic telos to get off of this rock and colonize the stars.

Re: The Psychedelic Inspiration for Hypercard (2018)

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Post by gcanyon »

For those lamenting the passing of Hypercard, there's still SuperCard, LiveCode, and Decker.

SuperCard is Mac-only, fairly true to HyperCard, but with color and additional widgets built-in.

LiveCode is Mac, Windows, and Unix, and deploys for Android and iOS (and web I think, although I don't know how capable that is as I haven't tried it much). It starts from HyperCard, but has grown significantly from there, with many additional UI and language features.

Decker is mostly true to HyperCard from a UI standpoint -- it barely has color as far as I can see. But its language is not at all HyperTalk. And it runs entirely on the web, and nicely so.

https://supercard.us https://livecode.com https://beyondloom.com/decker/tour.html

Re: The Psychedelic Inspiration for Hypercard (2018)

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Post by college_physics »

some people get the "interconnectedness" experience without any chemical boosters. figure that.

wonderful story from back then when digital tech had not been subjected to the "this is too powerful to leave to the visionaries" treatment.

today we still need visionaries that can create "connect-the-dots" tools, but now having full awareness that those are society-altering journeys, with all the responsibility that this entails

Re: The Psychedelic Inspiration for Hypercard (2018)

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Post by lolive »

Daub wrote: post #41
dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not know that… Mosaic had an edit button? What did it do?

The WorldWideWeb (Tim Berner Lee’s first web browser) was both a browser and editor. Also, most browser precursors that preceded it did not differentiate between consumer and author. The WorldWideWeb entry in Wikipedia tells us that the first browsers which did not feature editing were known as ‘passive browsers’. Passive indeed. This is the internet we nearly had.

For me, Obsidian has been the first experience of building up my own read/write Web. After 25 years of passive Web, it has been a very refreshing experience.

Re: The Psychedelic Inspiration for Hypercard (2018)

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Post by Daub »

lolive wrote: post #47
Daub wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The WorldWideWeb (Tim Berner Lee’s first web browser) was both a browser and editor. Also, most browser precursors that preceded it did not differentiate between consumer and author. The WorldWideWeb entry in Wikipedia tells us that the first browsers which did not feature editing were known as ‘passive browsers’. Passive indeed. This is the internet we nearly had.

For me, Obsidian has been the first experience of building up my own read/write Web. After 25 years of passive Web, it has been a very refreshing experience.

This is news to me. Spent the last ten minutes checking it out. Fascinating.

Re: The Psychedelic Inspiration for Hypercard (2018)

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Post by lioeters »

Daub wrote: post #41
dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not know that… Mosaic had an edit button? What did it do?

The WorldWideWeb (Tim Berner Lee’s first web browser) was both a browser and editor. Also, most browser precursors that preceded it did not differentiate between consumer and author. The WorldWideWeb entry in Wikipedia tells us that the first browsers which did not feature editing were known as ‘passive browsers’. Passive indeed. This is the internet we nearly had.

The original documenation for TBL's WorldWideWeb browser and editor:

> The "WorldWideWeb" application for the NeXT is a prototype Hypertext browser/editor. It allows direct access to Hypertext servers, files and news.

http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/NeXT/WorldWideWeb.html

> The team created so called "passive browsers" which do not have the ability to edit because it was hard to port this feature from the NeXT system to other operating systems. Porting to the X Window System was not possible as nobody on the team had experience with the X Window System.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldWideWeb

Edit: Ooh, I found a screenshot of the HyperMedia Browser/Editor version 0.13.

http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/browsers.evolt.org/browse...

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