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Google’s water use is soaring, consume more than 25% of water used in The Dalles

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Re: Google’s water use is soaring, consume more than 25% of water used in The Dalles

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This article makes several disingenuous statements to paint an entirely false, emotion provoking narrative. First: Google is not "consuming" water any more than a water wheel or dam turbine "consumes" water as it passes by in a river. This is an objectively absurd framing. Second: Even if the water were consumed, which it isn't, 25% of a town of 16k is not a significant amount of consumption. Third: This article talk…

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Re: Google’s water use is soaring, consume more than 25% of water used in The Dalles

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I'm actually more interested in the linked article about the city suing the newspaper to withhold the usage data from the public record, apparently at the behest of Google.

I understand Google is a major employer in the area, but the city acting like Google's minion seems wrong.

Re: Google’s water use is soaring, consume more than 25% of water used in The Dalles

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post #9

I mean so what they just pump it through and send it back to the river probably cleaner then it originally was. What’s the problem? The water is not being wasted

The heat has to go somewhere. If it’s going into the river that’s very bad ecologically. They don’t address this in the article though.

I'm not saying that there aren't potential problems, but warmer water coming off of power plants in Florida has acted as a bit of a manatee sanctuary. So it's not a guaranteed bad thing.

It's actually a bit of a problem now that the power plants are starting to shut down.

Re: Google’s water use is soaring, consume more than 25% of water used in The Dalles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't even consume it. It sounds like they're measuring water passing through the facility as "use" -- possibly including for electrical generation. Imagine if people complained that the hoover dam used 100% of the Colorado river to power Las Vegas? In reality it uses 0%.

Every drop that evaporates from the reservoir, that would not have from the naked river, is consumed. Every drop pumped out of the reservoir to irrigate desert farms, that could not have been without the dam, is consumed.

And if more evaporates from the resevoir, less outflows to the ocean directly.

Re: Google’s water use is soaring, consume more than 25% of water used in The Dalles

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post #4

Where does the water go after being used for cooling?

It evaporates, the heat is used to evaporate the water.

Do they heat it that much to evaporate a lot of it? I've read about one water cooled DC, don't remember which one exactly. But I do remember they were drawing water at around 15C and returning back to the river at 20C.

Re: Google’s water use is soaring, consume more than 25% of water used in The Dalles

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post #7

Seems like a waste of chlorine & flouride. Why Dalles & not say Hood River 24 mi downriver?

Local resident here: there's a hydroelectric facility that provides a lot of the power for the data centers in The Dalles. More generally, land is more plentiful and cheaper there than in Hood River.

The Dalles is also giving Google large property tax breaks to convince them to build there

Re: Google’s water use is soaring, consume more than 25% of water used in The Dalles

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This article makes several disingenuous statements to paint an entirely false, emotion provoking narrative. First: Google is not "consuming" water any more than a water wheel or dam turbine "consumes" water as it passes by in a river. This is an objectively absurd framing. Second: Even if the water were consumed, which it isn't, 25% of a town of 16k is not a significant amount of consumption. Third: This article talk…

"Water vapor rises above the cooling towers in The Dalles data center in Oregon. These plumes of water vapor create a quiet mist at dusk." https://www.google.com/about/datacenters/locations/the-dalle... They are using evaporative cooling so the water isn't flowing downstream or going back into an aquifer or whatever. How is that not consumption?

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Re: Google’s water use is soaring, consume more than 25% of water used in The Dalles

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Seems like a waste of chlorine & flouride. Why Dalles & not say Hood River 24 mi downriver?

Local resident here: there's a hydroelectric facility that provides a lot of the power for the data centers in The Dalles. More generally, land is more plentiful and cheaper there than in Hood River.

There was also a defunct aluminum smelting plant, so lots of unused electrical infrastructure
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