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Microsoft accidentally revealed a UI design prototype for the next Windows

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Re: Microsoft accidentally revealed a UI design prototype for the next Windows

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Post by petilon »

Microsoft is a new company since Satya Nadella took over. But one thing hasn't changed: shameless, mindless copying.

If they copied well then that would be one thing. But they don't copy well either. In Windows 10 (and 11 too) if you resize a window by dragging the bottom border, the bottom of the window does not quite touch the taskbar: there is a few pixels of gap, which is just a waste. I didn't understand why they did that... until I realized that's because MacOS has that too.

If a chimpanzee views a person perform a series of superfluous actions, along with one single necessary action, in order to obtain a piece of food, the chimpanzee will skip the superfluous action, and perform only the necessary one. In contrast, children will copy every single action, including the unnecessary ones [1]. Microsoft isn't being as smart as a chimpanzee in their copying.

[1] https://youtu.be/JwwclyVYTkk

Re: Microsoft accidentally revealed a UI design prototype for the next Windows

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Post by Jorengarenar »

robinsonb5 wrote: post #23
Kukumber wrote: post #10

always more and more vertical space wasted 16:9 is the most popular aspect ratio on desktop, there is no valid reason to waste more vertical space that's poor UX

s/popular/common/ I sometimes wish portrait oriented 4:3 monitors had become the dominant form.

In that particular case I'd say words "popular" and "common" are interchangeable.

Re: Microsoft accidentally revealed a UI design prototype for the next Windows

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Post by eco »

tgv wrote: post #14
thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #6

"We want it to look like MacOS, but without any consistency and keeping some system components that were written for Windows XP, but we haven't bothered to update yet." "It will require the lastest processors and 32 GB of RAM because OEMs need to sell computers and all of the windows components are using Electron (or similar memory-hungry web UIs)." "Teams and Loop will be fully integrated to enable maximum synergy f…

You write it as a joke, but I recently got myself a PC with Win11Pro. First glance: brand new UI. Until you open some specific settings, or choose "more options" from a context menu, then it's Windows 10. Then you need to tweak something else, and it's suddenly it's Windows XP. And when you go to something in the device/hardware area, you're confronted with a dialog that hasn't changed since NT.

They've slowly been replacing these legacy interfaces with the modern UI. It seems to have accelerated under Windows 11 but it's been ongoing since Windows 8.

Re: Microsoft accidentally revealed a UI design prototype for the next Windows

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Post by CamperBob2 »

tgv wrote: post #14
thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #6

"We want it to look like MacOS, but without any consistency and keeping some system components that were written for Windows XP, but we haven't bothered to update yet." "It will require the lastest processors and 32 GB of RAM because OEMs need to sell computers and all of the windows components are using Electron (or similar memory-hungry web UIs)." "Teams and Loop will be fully integrated to enable maximum synergy f…

You write it as a joke, but I recently got myself a PC with Win11Pro. First glance: brand new UI. Until you open some specific settings, or choose "more options" from a context menu, then it's Windows 10. Then you need to tweak something else, and it's suddenly it's Windows XP. And when you go to something in the device/hardware area, you're confronted with a dialog that hasn't changed since NT.

The people who remember how the low-level stuff works are long gone. Through a combination of received wisdom and good old-fashioned operant conditioning, the devs who are left don't dare touch any of it. It's third-rail code.

Re: Microsoft accidentally revealed a UI design prototype for the next Windows

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Post by coredog64 »

nocture wrote: post #24
allears wrote: post #4

Why, oh why, must MS invent a new UI for every version? They all turn out half-baked, and are never around long enough to get completely debugged and polished.

Because new batch of PMs are joining and they all have promotion cycles they want to do well at

Can we get an amendment to the US Constitution banning promotion-driven-development? Seriously, I feel like that would improve by 2x the output of the US economy.

Re: Microsoft accidentally revealed a UI design prototype for the next Windows

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Post by pram »

tgv wrote: post #14
thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #6

"We want it to look like MacOS, but without any consistency and keeping some system components that were written for Windows XP, but we haven't bothered to update yet." "It will require the lastest processors and 32 GB of RAM because OEMs need to sell computers and all of the windows components are using Electron (or similar memory-hungry web UIs)." "Teams and Loop will be fully integrated to enable maximum synergy f…

You write it as a joke, but I recently got myself a PC with Win11Pro. First glance: brand new UI. Until you open some specific settings, or choose "more options" from a context menu, then it's Windows 10. Then you need to tweak something else, and it's suddenly it's Windows XP. And when you go to something in the device/hardware area, you're confronted with a dialog that hasn't changed since NT.

The thing that blows my mind is how settings are just straight up duplicated. Like monitor sleep settings is in the Windows 10 style display preference panel. But it’s ALSO in a weird Windows Vista looking preferences window too. You have to use the second one to switch the “profile” as well.

It’s some serious garbage.

Re: Microsoft accidentally revealed a UI design prototype for the next Windows

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Post by bombcar »

robinsonb5 wrote: post #23
Kukumber wrote: post #10

always more and more vertical space wasted 16:9 is the most popular aspect ratio on desktop, there is no valid reason to waste more vertical space that's poor UX

s/popular/common/ I sometimes wish portrait oriented 4:3 monitors had become the dominant form.

I’m a bit surprised phones haven’t cause verticle 9:16 to become a bit more common.

Re: Microsoft accidentally revealed a UI design prototype for the next Windows

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Post by gumboza »

Apologies for this alcohol fuelled rage comment but for fucks sake Microsoft just stop redesigning shit and finish the last 11 redesigns of windows, fix all the cruft hanging out everywhere and start giving a crap about your clients from a security and attention perspective. We are not cows to be milked for upsells, telemetry and ad revenue. We are also not caged animals to experiment on. We are paying customers who need a professional grade operating system that isn't a tragic waste of cash, time, resources, compute, bandwidth and attention.

And no Windows 11 is not it.

Nadella was treated like the second coming of Jesus on here a few years back. Turns out he's another one trick capitalist trying to push up revenue of a dying turd by sprinkling glitter on it and selling it to you monthly while pocketing whatever he can make out of your data.

Re: Microsoft accidentally revealed a UI design prototype for the next Windows

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Post by gumboza »

piersj225 wrote: post #21

Is this a good time to ask if anyone has some good reasons to upgrade to windows 11? ( other than getting security updates past 2025) - I would love to hear them :)

No. I un-upgraded the machine I upgraded after 2 weeks. It was unbearable. Just sold it on eBay before Christmas. Only own a MacBook Pro now.
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