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California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Post by hadlock »

xnx wrote: post #111
reaperducer wrote: post #106

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Typically, you can break your lease with one month payment. And you don't lose your deposit. That's not how deposits work. Actually, it's how many of the leases I've had worked, and I've lived in dozens of states. Probably cost 4K, not 40K. It cost my friend $11,000 to move his one bedroom apartment from Southern California to Texas last year using Mayflower. And he was just one person, not a family. Moving an entire…

Wow. I haven't researched moving costs at all, but I'd probably buy all new stuff and still save money at those prices.

Moving a true household worth of stuff, good quality furniture, then paying people a living wage who won't treat your stuff like ikea garbage, yeah it's very expensive. My wife got a relocation package that paid for the movers and packing, car shipping, plus $20k cash on top for incidentals, and we burnt through every dollar. I have no idea what the company paid Allied to pack and move all our stuff but it probably wasn't cheap. $40k seems very realistic.

In comparison I moved Dallas to SF as a single guy in a 26' uhaul truck and I think my costs all-in were $5000 for truck/gas/incidentals plus another $5000 for first and last months rent, utility deposits and all the random stuff that comes with relocation. So $10k to move all-in as a single guy.

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Post by andirk »

wonderwonder wrote: post #83
22289d wrote: post #20

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It's not a problem to everyone. For example, it's not a problem to many homeowners that the value of their homes keep going up and to the right. Living in California is expensive, in more ways than just housing. Not everyone can afford it. Just like not everyone can afford a new BMW. In my corner of the state, people who increasingly cannot afford to live here are noisy. I mostly don't engage because I'm aware that I…

For the most part everyone arguing in favor of ideas championed by the left are unable to engage in rational argument they always engage by attempting to personally insult and label the other as bad or selfish. As someone that has always voted Dem prior to this past midterm, this style of argument actually drove me further right. Got to the point where I decided that if an idea can't be championed on it's merits it's…

Sad but true that progressive "people deserve to live decently in my city" ideas are at odds with the "I'm fine so stop talking about how there's a problem".

I'm working on an entire comedy set about how many of my peers care more about dissecting the wording of shit rather than actually furthering a cause. Those idiots aren't going to affect my ideology, though I am sometimes cancelled for the hilarious reasons (i.e. mentioning Joe Rogan).

Lastly, I got ran out of a bar for saying I think people deserve health care. Labeled a communist with no job and that I'm not welcome there. Lol!

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Post by janalsncm »

I like California a lot but with the cost of housing what it is I know I’ll probably never put down roots. We can talk policy this and that until our heads are spinning but at the end of the day I need to live my life.

I have my eye on Chicago. There’s always something going on, it’s very multicultural, and housing is extremely affordable.

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Post by epicureanideal »

jmspring wrote: post #135
jeffbee wrote: post #12

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California has not even ¼-assed it. The governor stated in 2018 that we were short 3.5 million homes, which might be approximately correct or at least in the ballpark, and as a state we were going to build them by 2025. That pace should have been 2 million homes by now, but only about 350k units were actually built.

Where does one build 3.5 million houses? The housing needs to be where jobs / etc, are. It should also be where resources are. A good deal of the state has water issues regularly; additional part of the state can't keep the power on due to - heat waves, fires, over use, winds, cats farting. The rural county I live in has open jobs, but a sizeable chunk of the work force is either seasonal (logging, etc) then coast on…

> Where does one build 3.5 million houses? The housing needs to be where jobs / etc, are.

With the resources of an entire state government, or a lot of private equity, this is very solvable.

Take a place like Sunol, CA or Livermore, CA, either one about an hour east of San Francisco and trivial to connect to public transit.

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5871047,-121.8716321,3a,75y,...

(California has nowhere to build they say... see above link.)

Build several hundred high-rise apartments with several thousand of residents each. There you go. Housing for a million people in the space of not even a square mile probably. Add in generous amounts of entertainment venues, coffee shops, live music, some parks, and a bunch of office buildings.

Done. Solved. But they don't do it. Why?

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Post by TedShiller »

janalsncm wrote: post #263

I like California a lot but with the cost of housing what it is I know I’ll probably never put down roots. We can talk policy this and that until our heads are spinning but at the end of the day I need to live my life. I have my eye on Chicago. There’s always something going on, it’s very multicultural, and housing is extremely affordable.

> I have my eye on Chicago. There’s always something going on

You're right about that part

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Post by nonethewiser »

hotpotamus wrote: post #211
jmugan wrote: post #184

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It's hot, but 115-degree summers is an exaggeration. The high is usually around 100 degrees (still too hot, of course). I do much prefer the weather in California.

The heat index in South Texas is regularly pushing the one-teens. It's why I'll probably move away one day despite having lived here my whole life.

Ok, but the heat index is not the temperature

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Post by pharmakom »

BlargMcLarg wrote: post #57
gtowey wrote: post #46

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> California is NIMBYism at its worst: the far left opposes more housing, the far right opposes more housing, and the center is sick of traffic from more housing. It's the banality of evil. It's not that homeowners are conspiring to create unaffordable housing, it's just that they all just care about the benefit to themselves of rising home prices and maintaining the comfortable exclusivity of their neighborhoods. Ev…

It's also shortsighted. Who are the people moving out? Primarily those without money or assets to stay. People who tend to skew younger. So you drive out the younger, start a feedback loop where more young people leave, inverting the population pyramid. This is accelerated by the lower birthrate. Congrats, you now live in a place where young people are overwhelmed by grey pressure and the only realistic alternatives…

You just described the UK

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Post by nonethewiser »

renlo wrote: post #157

How smug are Californians that those who always disagree with them always “must be Republicans”? They really said people are leaving the state because of “political reasons” (ie, “they’re Republicans, aka, ‘non-regrettable attrition’”)? Couldn’t be all of the other reasons could it. I say this as a California native who left for a litany of reasons, last of them being the politics.

So youre a Californian who left and can't stand being thought of as Republican?
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